2020-2021 Cavs Season General Discussion

[Derek]

The top of this draft is absolutely loaded. I think Cunningham/Mobley/Green/Suggs all have the makings to turn into complete stars.

That's why I've been pushing for the tank lately. Someone said in another thread "doesn't it make less sense to tank in a deep draft?"... and the answer is no ---- not if the top 3-4 are a fairly big gap away from the next tier.

I think as long as we're in the top 5 picks we are golden because even Kuminga has a very high ceiling but needs polishing. We start slipping to the 6,7,8.9 picks then you might see the Cavs reach for someone because of "fit" instead of potential (Corey Kispert comes to mind and it makes me sick to think about).

Kispert seems to have lost a lot of shine recently, so I don't think he's a lock for the lotto.

However, I really like Sengun, Giddey, Barnes, and Jalen Johnson out of the non-top 5 guys. I'd probably put at least one of them ahead of Cade Cunningham.

 

[CavsFan07]

Kispert seems to have lost a lot of shine recently, so I don't think he's a lock for the lotto.

However, I really like Sengun, Giddey, Barnes, and Jalen Johnson out of the non-top 5 guys. I'd probably put at least one of them ahead of Cade Cunningham.

Reaching for Kispert because he's a wing that can shoot would be an utter disappointment in this type of draft. We already have Windler and I'm not sure Kispert is even better than him.

I'm way off the Sengun train.

I like Giddey but seems very ball dominant and not a good shooter -- is that what our team needs?

To me we have to secure some type of wing that is already a good shooter or atleast can potentially turn into a solid shooter.

I think the measurables of Moody will be interesting... Shoots it well and had a great freshman year... Rumor has it his wingspan is around 7'0" but if he's only 6'5" ish I'd be scared...

I've seen some people talk about how Okoro maybe could turn into a Jaylen Brown type etc..... but to me the player that could do that is Jalen Green... I think that kid is going to be an absolute star in the league. LOVE his game. If we can get our hands on him I might cry tears of joy on draft night.

 

[weepinwillow]

If Prince could bring last night's game every night we wouldn't have to be concerned about our draft position. But since he's in his fifth pro season it's not likely he has suddenly transformed himself into Jayson Tatum.

However, it looks like he's been working on his 3-point shot. Coming into this season he was a 36.6% shooter. In 12 games with Brooklyn he was at 35.1% - no change. But in 25 games with the Cavs he's hitting 42.2%, which is a significant increase over his career average. I'm wondering if he can maintain that or if it's just a temporary hot streak. He's hit 43 of 102 with the Cavs.

He looks like a great draft day trade candidate, or you could use him as a beat-able starter at the 3 for your rookie you get in the upcoming draft with Okoro playing the 2. Of course this means Collin accepts the role of being a dominant 6th man.

 

[Derek]

Reaching for Kispert because he's a wing that can shoot would be an utter disappointment in this type of draft. We already have Windler and I'm not sure Kispert is even better than him.

Yeah, I doubt he goes in the lotto. I wouldn't worry about him.

I'm way off the Sengun train.

Why? He's been incredible. To be a dominant MVP at his age, in a top pro-league no less, is remarkable.

I like Giddey but seems very ball dominant and not a good shooter -- is that what our team needs?

I think he'll be a good shooter. We definitely need another guy that can run the offense, too. Delly won't last forever as our secondary guy.

To me we have to secure some type of wing that is already a good shooter or atleast can potentially turn into a solid shooter.

With Garland finally shooting at a high volume and maintaining 40%+, this is less of a concern. We're going to need a lot of length and defensive ability to cover up for our backcourt. Scottie Barnes would be perfect as a secondary playmaker and dynamic defender.

I think the measurables of Moody will be interesting... Shoots it well and had a great freshman year... Rumor has it his wingspan is around 7'0" but if he's only 6'5" ish I'd be scared...

I've seen some people talk about how Okoro maybe could turn into a Jaylen Brown type etc..... but to me the player that could do that is Jalen Green... I think that kid is going to be an absolute star in the league. LOVE his game. If we can get our hands on him I might cry tears of joy on draft night.

Hopefully, we can just bring Okoro off the bench next year in a reduced role that will be more conducive to his development. I'm also a big Jalen Green fan. He's 1b to Mobley's 1a for me.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Chances of landing in top 5 picks based on lottery draw position:

1 100%
2 80%
3 67%
4 53.4%
5 44.6%
6 37.2%
7 32.1%
8 26.2%
9 23.1%
10 13.9%
11 9.6%
12 6.2%
13 5.7%
14 2.4%

We‘re currently 5th, 44.6%.

I wouldn’t count on getting a top 5 pick.

 

[CavsFan07]

Chances of landing in top 5 picks based on lottery draw position:

1 100%
2 80%
3 67%
4 53.4%
5 44.6%
6 37.2%
7 32.1%
8 26.2%
9 23.1%
10 13.9%
11 9.6%
12 6.2%
13 5.7%
14 2.4%

We‘re currently 5th, 44.6%.

I wouldn’t count on getting a top 5 pick.

With our win last night and OKC's loss, we are now 6th and they have leap frogged us to 5th (they have one more loss than us).

Yeah, I doubt he goes in the lotto. I wouldn't worry about him.

Why? He's been incredible. To be a dominant MVP at his age, in a top pro-league no less, is remarkable.

I think he'll be a good shooter. We definitely need another guy that can run the offense, too. Delly won't last forever as our secondary guy.

With Garland finally shooting at a high volume and maintaining 40%+, this is less of a concern. We're going to need a lot of length and defensive ability to cover up for our backcourt. Scottie Barnes would be perfect as a secondary playmaker and dynamic defender.

Hopefully, we can just bring Okoro off the bench next year in a reduced role that will be more conducive to his development. I'm also a big Jalen Green fan. He's 1b to Mobley's 1a for me.

1.) I pray I don't have to worry about Kispert.

2.) Assuming we re-sign Allen, and we will, why would we draft Sengun? I don't see them two playing together at all. We have glaring holes at the wing going forward, our young bigs (Allen, Hart, Wade) have all shown enough promise to not have a glaring hole at that position.

3.) I think when we inevitably move Sexton to 6th man he's our creator/scorer off the bench.

4.) I am high on Barnes. I like his fit. If he improves that 3 point shot then I think he's absolutely getting slept on in terms of not being discussed top 5.

5.) Agree on Mobley and Green... absolute studs. Mobley is so athletic/long that I think we could turn him into a 4 eventually (IE Chris Bosh).. Both would be fantastic fits for our team going forward

 

[Derek]

With our win last night and OKC's loss, we are now 6th and they have leap frogged us to 5th (they have one more loss than us).



1.) I pray I don't have to worry about Kispert.

2.) Assuming we re-sign Allen, and we will, why would we draft Sengun? I don't see them two playing together at all. We have glaring holes at the wing going forward, our young bigs (Allen, Hart, Wade) have all shown enough promise to not have a glaring hole at that position.

3.) I think when we inevitably move Sexton to 6th man he's our creator/scorer off the bench.

4.) I am high on Barnes. I like his fit. If he improves that 3 point shot then I think he's absolutely getting slept on in terms of not being discussed top 5.

5.) Agree on Mobley and Green... absolute studs. Mobley is so athletic/long that I think we could turn him into a 4 eventually (IE Chris Bosh).. Both would be fantastic fits for our team going forward

I think Sengun would be a phenomenal fit alongside Allen, so I guess that's the disconnect there.

I don't think Hart/Wade have shown anywhere close to enough to impact our draft decision. Hart is a backup Center, fine, but we should be actively looking to get better players in here than Wade.

 

[Cavatt]

Yeah, I doubt he goes in the lotto. I wouldn't worry about him.

Why? He's been incredible. To be a dominant MVP at his age, in a top pro-league no less, is remarkable.

I think he'll be a good shooter. We definitely need another guy that can run the offense, too. Delly won't last forever as our secondary guy.

With Garland finally shooting at a high volume and maintaining 40%+, this is less of a concern. We're going to need a lot of length and defensive ability to cover up for our backcourt. Scottie Barnes would be perfect as a secondary playmaker and dynamic defender.

Hopefully, we can just bring Okoro off the bench next year in a reduced role that will be more conducive to his development. I'm also a big Jalen Green fan. He's 1b to Mobley's 1a for me.

I like Okoro off the bench to come in for either Darius or Sexton if they are getting burnt because of their size. I want Barnes if we can get him

 

[Dr No]

Playing amateur GM and thinking about our team construction going forward - Sexton and Garland are both ball dominant players and neither is of special value otherwise. If we draft another ball dominating player, I have trouble seeing how all three exist on the court together. If we intend to build around our three current young lottery picks, it seems that we will need another floor spacer, probably either a 3 or 4, who doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Oddly enough, if we go with this kind of 4, Nance becomes expendable and a very valuable trade piece, if he's more of a 3, Prince is likely gone - both are a lot of salary for positions that would be well covered by the new draft pick (assuming we are stuck with Love's contract). If we go with another ball dominant player, one of our current starters is either getting traded or sent to the second unit.

 

[Derek]

Playing amateur GM and thinking about our team construction going forward - Sexton and Garland are both ball dominant players and neither is of special value otherwise. If we draft another ball dominating player, I have trouble seeing how all three exist on the court together. If we intend to build around our three current young lottery picks, it seems that we will need another floor spacer, probably either a 3 or 4, who doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Oddly enough, if we go with this kind of 4, Nance becomes expendable and a very valuable trade piece, if he's more of a 3, Prince is likely gone - both are a lot of salary for positions that would be well covered by the new draft pick (assuming we are stuck with Love's contract). If we go with another ball dominant player, one of our current starters is either getting traded or sent to the second unit.

Well, right now it seems like a safe assumption that Garland and Sexton aren't enough. We need another guy that we can lean on offensively from the perimeter.

I know Sexton was out last night, but we literally had Taurean Prince bringing the ball up the court at times and initiating the offense. There seems to be plenty of room on this team for another offensive creator.

 

[Cavatt]

Playing amateur GM and thinking about our team construction going forward - Sexton and Garland are both ball dominant players and neither is of special value otherwise. If we draft another ball dominating player, I have trouble seeing how all three exist on the court together. If we intend to build around our three current young lottery picks, it seems that we will need another floor spacer, probably either a 3 or 4, who doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Oddly enough, if we go with this kind of 4, Nance becomes expendable and a very valuable trade piece, if he's more of a 3, Prince is likely gone - both are a lot of salary for positions that would be well covered by the new draft pick (assuming we are stuck with Love's contract). If we go with another ball dominant player, one of our current starters is either getting traded or sent to the second unit.

What if you brought in a guy like Barnes and played him at Point forward off the bench. That could work out. That is what they planned to do with KPJ this year. I think you will be right that developing another ball handler in the first unit could be tough. Develop whoever you draft off the bench and swap out the new guy and Okoro for matchups.

 

[foucault87]

Chances of landing in top 5 picks based on lottery draw position:

1 100%
2 80%
3 67%
4 53.4%
5 44.6%
6 37.2%
7 32.1%
8 26.2%
9 23.1%
10 13.9%
11 9.6%
12 6.2%
13 5.7%
14 2.4%

We‘re currently 5th, 44.6%.

I wouldn’t count on getting a top 5 pick.

Sounds like we should tank harder to get better odds on a top 5 pick then. Play more Cedi!

 

[Rich]

Don't worry boys they're still bad w/o some random role player getting scorching hot.

 

[rastamon87]

Just curious, are the Cavs allowed to sign and trade JA? I like him as a player, but it feels like he does not want to be with Cavs with his body language....

Also, would be nice if the Cavs can get Markkanen from the Bulls at the off season, they seem to be leaning into developing Williams to the extent of demoting Markanen to the bench....

 

[inliner311]

Just curious, are the Cavs allowed to sign and trade JA? I like him as a player, but it feels like he does not want to be with Cavs with his body language....

Also, would be nice if the Cavs can get Markkanen from the Bulls at the off season, they seem to be leaning into developing Williams to the extent of demoting Markanen to the bench....

Yes they can sign and trade JA but they need to make sure that Allen knows that is on the table. If he signs an offer sheet then a sign and trade is off the table.

I actually like the idea of going after Markkanen. Both Love and Nance are good rebounders and Markkanen playing center could stretch the floor. If we can sign Markkanen to a good deal, it helps roster building vs what we have to pay Allen. The question is if we can find a rim runner and rim protector as a backup to fill that role.