2020 NFL Draft Thread - Day 2

[Lee]

We pick 9th in the second round (#41)

I don't like drafting themes of players. Just get the guy who looks better then the rest. At WR right now, that'd be Tee Higgins or Denzel Mims to my eye.

My personal preference is Delpit. I think he has the potential to be a great FS in the NFL.

Any one of 3 safeties would be great imo, I really like Winnfield though, but I am afraid the fact his dad is from Akron is making me biased, lol.

 

[Lee]

I wonder what the reaction would be in Ann Arbor if the Lions spend their 2nd round pick on JK Dobbins??
Young & Dobbins starting their professional career in Detroit might be a perfect counter-argument to any HS kid considering to play for Harbaugh/ Xichigan

Personally I like Dobbins a lot for a zone blocking team. I saw plenty of OSU games (remember I am a Purdue fan) and thought his vision and speed were special. I think Detroit fans should be fine with drafting 2 OSU players at the 2 best positions typically for OSU...rb and cb.

To be honest, if you are a Mich fan, you should not want Mich players, they have not had a recent history of success in the nfl, lol.

 

[MadThinker88]

Personally I like Dobbins a lot for a zone blocking team. I saw plenty of OSU games (remember I am a Purdue fan) and thought his vision and speed were special. I think Detroit fans should be fine with drafting 2 OSU players at the 2 best positions typically for OSU...rb and cb.

To be honest, if you are a Mich fan, you should not want Mich players, they have not had a recent history of success in the nfl, lol.

Your right - Okudah & Dobbins. I was confusing the RFC Mock that had Detroit landing Chase Young..

I agree that Lion fans are just looking for good talent be it from tOSU or somewhere else. I'm just curious about the reactions of those in Ann Arbor & more identify with TTUN.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Weaver is he an EDGE or slow LB? I am fearful he is a man without a position

Davis is typically the type of Big possession WR I like, but we really need that speed guy, the water bug type. The type we had nothing of 5 years ago, lol

Weaver is absolutely not an EDGE, he's an off ball LBer and there are SEVERAL better options.

If McKinney falls to 41 he should absolutely be the pick. I can’t believe he hasn’t been picked yet

I agree with you, but I can also believe McKinney is still there. He's not a ball hawk/turnover oriented guy. Nor is he a deep, single high type of guy, more of a big nickel/box safety top. Which is fine, but not something that is overly valued in the NFL.

 

[Lee]

Your right - Okudah & Dobbins. I was confusing the RFC Mock that had Detroit landing Chase Young..

I agree that Lion fans are just looking for good talent be it from tOSU or somewhere else. I'm just curious about the reactions of those in Ann Arbor & more identify with TTUN.

One of my best friends is a sports junkie like us and a huge Mich/Lions fan (its ok, he is from there), and liked the Okudah pick.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Do the Browns find themselves in the position where the BPA is a guard tonight?

So, I have the opinion that both Defensive Line and Offensive Line have a law of increasing returns. What I mean is that the more talent you have there, the more return you you get on each increase in talent. If you have an average defensive line with one stud like Myles Garrett, there are ways for offensive coaches to scheme around that. However, for each defensive lineman you add who can regularly beat his man one-on-one, the ability for an offense to gameplan against your strengths diminishes, and the impact each defensive lineman (or the unit as a whole) has on the game increases. I feel we saw this in action with San Francisco this year, where their defensive line controlled the game.

I think this goes for the offensive line as well. You stick a Joe Thomas at LT, but put crap in other positions, and you're gonna get crap out. For each guy you put in that can consistently win his matchup, you allow every other person to excel even more at their individual jobs. If you don't have to cover for the guy next to you, you can be better at your own task. I feel we saw this with Dallas before injuries started to take their toll on that offensive line.

So, while I think there's talent to be had at safety and WR, I'm completely on board with improving our RG or DT positions.

 

[Jordan]

So, I have the opinion that both Defensive Line and Offensive Line have a law of increasing returns. What I mean is that the more talent you have there, the more return you you get on each increase in talent. If you have an average defensive line with one stud like Myles Garrett, there are ways for offensive coaches to scheme around that. However, for each defensive lineman you add who can regularly beat his man one-on-one, the ability for an offense to gameplan against your strengths diminishes, and the impact each defensive lineman (or the unit as a whole) has on the game increases. I feel we saw this in action with San Francisco this year, where their defensive line controlled the game.

I think this goes for the offensive line as well. You stick a Joe Thomas at LT, but put crap in other positions, and you're gonna get crap out. For each guy you put in that can consistently win his matchup, you allow every other person to excel even more at their individual jobs. If you don't have to cover for the guy next to you, you can be better at your own task. I feel we saw this with Dallas before injuries started to take their toll on that offensive line.

So, while I think there's talent to be had at safety and WR, I'm completely on board with improving our RG or DT positions.

The Athletic had a great article about how Shanahan shares your exact same thoughts on the defensive line. Having a line that can prevent your opponent from being able to control the pace of the game makes it easy for an offense to call plays. Having a good offensive line is required to control pace. You need both.

Kawakami: Another defensive lineman? Kyle Shanahan’s 49ers are committed to this

Shanahan: "Nothing's more fun (than) having a defense like we had last year; that gives you the best chance to go to the Super Bowl."

theathletic.com

 

[daddywags]

My personal opinion - McKinney and Winfield are the only two safeties I would take at 41. If we go in another direction Delpit, Chinn or Davis could be in the mix at 74. I hope they don't force a pick at S due to perceived need.

 

[Smooth]

If/when the Browns do go WR, I'd really like to see them address the one lacking component of their offense: speed..

Right now I don't see a legit vertical threat or someone who can stretch the defense to provide space for guys like Landry and Hooper who will be working underneath...

I know some of the WRs still available like Shenault, Pittman, Higgins, etc., are tempting, but I'd be just as tempted to wait on someone like John Hightower, Devin Duvernay or Antonio Gandy-Golde in the mid-rounds or Darnell Mooney, Gabriel Davis or Quez Watkins later on..

Interestingly enough, Chase Claypool is an elite athlete by both RAS and SPARQ standards, so I'm really intrigued to see where he ends up... And to an extent, Donovan Peoples-Jones could be a discount Claypool...

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

The Athletic had a great article about how Shanahan shares your exact same thoughts on the defensive line. Having a line that can prevent your opponent from being able to control the pace of the game makes it easy for an offense to call plays. Having a good offensive line is required to control pace. You need both.

Kawakami: Another defensive lineman? Kyle Shanahan’s 49ers are committed to this

Shanahan: "Nothing's more fun (than) having a defense like we had last year; that gives you the best chance to go to the Super Bowl."

theathletic.com

So, I just got back from a walk and was going to edit my post to make sure I put the disclaimer that I have absolutely no data to back up my claims, and it's likely not a view that many share.

I had no idea Shanahan supports this theory. That's pretty cool.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

My personal opinion - McKinney and Winfield are the only two safeties I would take at 41. If we go in another direction Delpit, Chinn or Davis could be in the mix at 74. I hope they don't force a pick at S due to perceived need.

I'm curious why you're so low on Delpit.

I'm surprised he's still on the board. I also think he's by far the most talented safety in this class, and probably the third most talented DB period after Okudah/Henderson.

My only concern would be his tackling, and if it were a vacuum, it still wouldn't change anything for me. But putting him with Ward and Greedy gives me the vibes of a secondary that now has a weakness you can exploit (Even if they're incredible in coverage).

I don't believe he'll be there at 74. I wouldn't bet on Chinn or Davis being there either. If you like one of these safeties, you take the one you like the most at 41. Because, if you think a guy's the best, odds are, other NFL teams do as well, regardless of what some internet mock drafts might say.

 

[daddywags]

It's just seeing tackling issues as a concern that I don't like, especially in a safety and while we're starting a smallish CB and another with a reputation for poor tackling. As for the others, my view is based on extremely little research, so TIFWIW. But as a general matter I hope they don't take a S they rate as the 60th best prospect at 41 just because they need a safety and don't think he'll be there at 74.

 

[Jordan]

Some prospects that I am interested in at #41:

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'm curious why you're so low on Delpit.

I'm surprised he's still on the board. I also think he's by far the most talented safety in this class, and probably the third most talented DB period after Okudah/Henderson.

My only concern would be his tackling, and if it were a vacuum, it still wouldn't change anything for me. But putting him with Ward and Greedy gives me the vibes of a secondary that now has a weakness you can exploit (Even if they're incredible in coverage).

I don't believe he'll be there at 74. I wouldn't bet on Chinn or Davis being there either. If you like one of these safeties, you take the one you like the most at 41. Because, if you think a guy's the best, odds are, other NFL teams do as well, regardless of what some internet mock drafts might say.

That is kind of the one hiccup in this safety class, is that I don't think any of the guys are great tacklers. Certainly good to good enough but none of them possess the range AND finishing skill you would like to pair with Ward / Greedy.

Deplit is physical, no doubt but he isn't really a tactician and that will probably show up even more at the NFL level. I'm always scared by guys who need to be taught angles at a position like safety.

McKinney seems like the most versatile player but he's again, not a plus tackler from what I gather.....but he is a very good tactician, along with his physical gifts and seems like he gives you the most scheme flexibility.

I wouldn't mind Delpit, I just think he's more of a project and he certainly has a much lower floor than someone like McKinney. Winfield seems like a little lesser version of McKinney.......which isn't a knock, just that those two seem like the best fits for the Browns.....of higher floor guys, who can start in year 1.

 

[MirORich]

Can someone sell me on McKinney

I watched three full Bama games last night(Auburn 2018, LSU 2019, Bowl Game against scUM) to focus on Wills and just didn’t see McKinney doing much.