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New CWSox manager is setting the bar low... The Score and Cubs fans have to be ripping the CWSox ownership a new a-hole.. you can't make this stuff up...
 
Gson said:
Of course they are..
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I really doubt they will move Civale unless they get a fair amount back for him as well and they have someone who is legitimately ready to replace him. If they move Lindor and Civale, they would be getting a haul to great to refuse (which likely would include a high pitching prospect as well). It's like less than a 1% chance someone will offer what the Indians want for both Lindor and Civale.
 
MadThinker88 said:
PTBNL named in Clevinger deal....

Its Matt Waldron... (as expected)..
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The Indians and Padres have completed their massive Aug. 31 trade in which Cleveland sent right-hander Mike Clevinger to San …
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My #1 goal in life is to be a PTBNL in some trade.

Oh to be a footnote in the sports almanac.

I think they should run a contest
 
sportscoach said:
I really doubt they will move Civale unless they get a fair amount back for him as well and they have someone who is legitimately ready to replace him. If they move Lindor and Civale, they would be getting a haul to great to refuse (which likely would include a high pitching prospect as well). It's like less than a 1% chance someone will offer what the Indians want for both Lindor and Civale.
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Interesting response to "...sure they will..." regarding the inclusion of Civale.. The full context of the "sure they will" comment comes on the heels of the original premise that the Blue Jays would be looking to acquire via free agent signing one of Jackie Bradley Jr. or George Springer, making:

"...one of their [Jays] three OF'ers "expendable".. So, the actual deal would more clearly read:

Jays get:
-Francisco Lindor
-Aaron Civale
-Bobby Bradley.
Indians get:
-One of Lourdes Gurriel Jr/Teoscar Hernandez c-OF'er
-Jordan Groshans SS/3B
-One of Simeon Woods-Richardson/Alek Manoah/Adam Kloffenstein SP's
-Orelvis Martinez SS
-Riley Adams C

So, as stated.. a "high pitching prospect" was included in the original comment. The Indians would be offered a single choice from three of the Jays top four pitching prospects (Nate Pearson was excluded..as that would "zero out" the chances of a deal). A high end SP prospect, Groshans and one of the two OF'ers would be a great return for Civale/Lindor.. Both teams would be inclined to "throw in" some guys that help their team in other ways.. In the Indians case.. they improve their catching depth and add SS (could move to 3B) Orelvis Martinez who's been comp'd as approaching the same skill set as a very young HOF'er Adrian Beltre (of course.. this is hyperbole)..

This is the kind of deal that both sides can "claim" finish their teams.. The Jays move chubby Vlad to 1B (and have Bobby B as a power stick/back up), Bichette to 3B (where Groshans would be blocked) w/ Lindor taking over leadership and the SS spot. Instead of dumpster diving for a ML SP.. the Jays fill their rotation with Civale..

If the Jays would prefer someone other than Bobby B (Sam Hentges as an RP?).. that would work too..

Thoughts?..
 
Gson said:
Interesting response to "...sure they will..." regarding the inclusion of Civale.. The full context of the "sure they will" comment comes on the heels of the original premise that the Blue Jays would be looking to acquire via free agent signing one of Jackie Bradley Jr. or George Springer, making:

"...one of their [Jays] three OF'ers "expendable".. So, the actual deal would more clearly read:

Jays get:
-Francisco Lindor
-Aaron Civale
-Bobby Bradley.
Indians get:
-One of Lourdes Gurriel Jr/Teoscar Hernandez c-OF'er
-Jordan Groshans SS/3B
-One of Simeon Woods-Richardson/Alek Manoah/Adam Kloffenstein SP's
-Orelvis Martinez SS
-Riley Adams C

So, as stated.. a "high pitching prospect" was included in the original comment. The Indians would be offered a single choice from three of the Jays top four pitching prospects (Nate Pearson was excluded..as that would "zero out" the chances of a deal). A high end SP prospect, Groshans and one of the two OF'ers would be a great return for Civale/Lindor.. Both teams would be inclined to "throw in" some guys that help their team in other ways.. In the Indians case.. they improve their catching depth and add SS (could move to 3B) Orelvis Martinez who's been comp'd as approaching the same skill set as a very young HOF'er Adrian Beltre (of course.. this is hyperbole)..

This is the kind of deal that both sides can "claim" finish their teams.. The Jays move chubby Vlad to 1B (and have Bobby B as a power stick/back up), Bichette to 3B (where Groshans would be blocked) w/ Lindor taking over leadership and the SS spot. Instead of dumpster diving for a ML SP.. the Jays fill their rotation with Civale..

If the Jays would prefer someone other than Bobby B (Sam Hentges as an RP?).. that would work too..

Thoughts?..
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For me to make the move the OF would need to be Gurriel. Hernandez is older and will be a free agent 2 years sooner. And I don't think they put Civale in the deal because of his age unless they really believe that 2019 was an illusion. Groshans is a good guy to target though I am concerned that we don't know if he did anything to progress in 2020 and that is after missing most of 2019 with an injury. Were teams able to scout any of these types of guys during the pandemic?
 
Gson said:
Interesting response to "...sure they will..." regarding the inclusion of Civale.. The full context of the "sure they will" comment comes on the heels of the original premise that the Blue Jays would be looking to acquire via free agent signing one of Jackie Bradley Jr. or George Springer, making:

"...one of their [Jays] three OF'ers "expendable".. So, the actual deal would more clearly read:

Jays get:
-Francisco Lindor
-Aaron Civale
-Bobby Bradley.
Indians get:
-One of Lourdes Gurriel Jr/Teoscar Hernandez c-OF'er
-Jordan Groshans SS/3B
-One of Simeon Woods-Richardson/Alek Manoah/Adam Kloffenstein SP's
-Orelvis Martinez SS
-Riley Adams C

So, as stated.. a "high pitching prospect" was included in the original comment. The Indians would be offered a single choice from three of the Jays top four pitching prospects (Nate Pearson was excluded..as that would "zero out" the chances of a deal). A high end SP prospect, Groshans and one of the two OF'ers would be a great return for Civale/Lindor.. Both teams would be inclined to "throw in" some guys that help their team in other ways.. In the Indians case.. they improve their catching depth and add SS (could move to 3B) Orelvis Martinez who's been comp'd as approaching the same skill set as a very young HOF'er Adrian Beltre (of course.. this is hyperbole)..

This is the kind of deal that both sides can "claim" finish their teams.. The Jays move chubby Vlad to 1B (and have Bobby B as a power stick/back up), Bichette to 3B (where Groshans would be blocked) w/ Lindor taking over leadership and the SS spot. Instead of dumpster diving for a ML SP.. the Jays fill their rotation with Civale..

If the Jays would prefer someone other than Bobby B (Sam Hentges as an RP?).. that would work too..

Thoughts?..
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They have Tellez for DH/1B, Guerrero says he wants to play 3B, and Biggio can play OF/3B likely as well. Its hard to say, but Lindor to the Jays isn't going to be a bad match up talent wise for the Indians. I'm not sure i would personally acquire Bradley..

It's still hard to rule out the Mets as well since the owner may want to make a splash. Marlins are a curious one as well, but I really don't know what Jeter and the rest of the FO there wants to do budget wise as the team is getting better.
 
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Wonder if the White Sox double down on their stupidity or pull a 180. No way this ends good or lasts more than two years.
 
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DCTribefan said:
Yet another high revenue team NOT in on Lindor. Tribe will need to prioritize trading Cookie.
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So.... from this comment it's an absolute certainty the Red Sox and Indians are discussing a Lindor + SP to Boston deal.. just another method to gild the lily..
 
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