2020 Offseason

[J_J]

When you watch him play, he is certainly annoying like that. Getting the pass that was meant for the opponent, digging in, deflection your touches. Just the sort of disruption we need on a team like this that can run pretty well, but doesn't get enough steal/stops to get on the break.

He kind of reminds me of Marcus Smart but in a better annoying way.

 

[J_J]

I have Deni, Okoro, and Haliburton as my top 3. I do not think the Cavs are interested in Haliburton unfortunately but I just love these 3 players. I will be a happy man if one of these 3 get drafted.

 

[Murph]

That’s entirely possible. If I’m the Cavs, using Clint Capela’s 5 year/$90M deal as a baseline, I offer:

1) 3 years/$60M
2) 5 years/$90M

Those numbers might even be overly generous. If Drummond feels he’s worth more than that then you look into dealing him. With the de-emphasis of centers and the salary cap likely going down, due to Covid, he will be hard pressed to do better.

I don't think Drummond would take either of those offers. Using simple arithmetic, Drummond is already guaranteed 1 year at $28 million. That means the first offer would essentially be a 2 year extension at $32 million, or $16 million a year.

And the second offer would be a 4 year extension at $58 million or $14.5 million a year.

I think you have to look at the $28 million as money already spent. So I think a more realistic offer would be 4 years at $88 million, or 5 years at $108 million.

Any way you look at it, he's a huge bargain compared to Kevin Love's contract. And Dan Gilbert is worth $40 billion. Furthermore, the salary cap is bound to rise substantially in future years, once this country gets a handle on COVID through either a vaccine or therapeutics.

 

[Lee]

The last time Gilbert tried to speed up the rebuild, we signed Jack, Clark, and Bynum and drafted Anthony Bennett.......

Oh cant wait for this go around

Just to be clear, you are saying those were bad moves?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't think Drummond would take either of those offers. Using simple arithmetic, Drummond is already guaranteed 1 year at $28 million. That means the first offer would essentially be a 2 year extension at $32 million, or $16 million a year.

And the second offer would be a 4 year extension at $58 million or $14.5 million a year.

I think you have to look at the $28 million as money already spent. So I think a more realistic offer would be 4 years at $88 million, or 5 years at $108 million.

Any way you look at it, he's a huge bargain compared to Kevin Love's contract. And Dan Gilbert is worth $40 billion. Furthermore, the salary cap is bound to rise substantially in future years, once this country gets a handle on COVID through either a vaccine or therapeutics.

It'll likely rise from where it will be this coming season, but it is far from certain that it will get all the way back to where it was a year or so ago. And if it does, how long it will take to get there.

I don't think the NBA itself even has a really good handle on that right now.

 

[Lumthemad]

If I am a betting man, Drummond wants somewhere in the range of what Jokic is getting. (which I think was 5 years at 140 Million) -If you secure him for just a few seasons it will be at the same or more amount his option is calling to command.

It is all relative though. You have the ability to spend on someone and if it means you end up playing winning basketball, it could prove wise. 125 over 5 plus incentives works in my eye's.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If I am a betting man, Drummond wants somewhere in the range of what Jokic is getting. (which I think was 5 years at 140 Million) -If you secure him for just a few seasons it will be at the same or more amount his option is calling to command.

It is all relative though. You have the ability to spend on someone and if it means you end up playing winning basketball, it could prove wise. 125 over 5 plus incentives works in my eye's.

I believe the uncertainties about the cap and revenues moving forward argue against signing anyone to a long-term deal unless you're really sure they're worth it. Cap space could become incredibly valuable in the not to distant future.

No way I'd sign Drummond to a long-term deal right now unless it was very cap friendly.

 

[Cavatt]

I think 18-20per for a short contract is all I would consider. I think that is tradeable, and wouldn't hamstring future flexibility. Maybe if he agreed to a 2 year, I would go slightly higher.

 

[Lumthemad]

In terms of future flexibility, does that mean retaining our own free agents? I don't believe it does and to me, that is mostly where it's at. Yes, certainly we also make moves in the trade market but ultimately, if they aren't OUR free agents, we likely aren't signing people.

I am a fan of Drummond & haven't hid that. Stating as much, I have zero idea of what I'd want to be on the hook to pay the man. I like lower years but he won't agree to something like a two year deal unless it makes sense for him. How plausible is it we can begin winning games? I really think this season will showcase what ends up happening. If he and we play much better than many people think, he just might get a deal close to what he's envisioning.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I don't know if it's been established that the Cavs are a better team with Drummond on the floor. That wasn't the case last year except for one game. Very small sample, however.

In seven of the eight games he played the Cavs did worse when he was on the floor than when he was on the bench. Obviously he was new to the team and that surely contributed. Maybe that changes with a full training camp and Bickerstaff having a long off-season to figure out how best to use him with the personnel we have. But Detroit traded him for almost nothing because they felt he wasn't making them better.

No way I'd commit multiple seasons to Dre until we've had a chance to see him play 40 games with the core group that they are building around to see how he fits and if the Cavs are better with him on the floor.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't know if it's been established that the Cavs are a better team with Drummond on the floor. That wasn't the case last year except for one game. Very small sample, however.

In seven of the eight games he played the Cavs did worse when he was on the floor than when he was on the bench. Obviously he was new to the team and that surely contributed. Maybe that changes with a full training camp and Bickerstaff having a long off-season to figure out how best to use him with the personnel we have. But Detroit traded him for almost nothing because they felt he wasn't making them better.

No way I'd commit multiple seasons to Dre until we've had a chance to see him play 40 games with the core group that they are building around to see how he fits and if the Cavs are better with him on the floor.

The way I look at it is this: if Drummond really has the big upside some folks see, then he should have a very good season for us. And a very good season in which he excels for the Cavs likely would be a season that he enjoyed personally as well. In that case, we'd clearly have the inside track to sign him to an extension.

So why not wait and see if he really does produce at that level before committing big money to him long-term?

 

[ansatsusha80]

Anyone think Sexton will get more free throws attempts this upcoming season.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

The way I look at it is this: if Drummond really has the big upside some folks see, then he should have a very good season for us. And a very good season in which he excels for the Cavs likely would be a season that he enjoyed personally as well. In that case, we'd clearly have the inside track to sign him to an extension.

So why not wait and see if he really does produce at that level before committing big money to him long-term?

I suspect Drummond doesn't want to risk proving he isn't worth it with more games played without the long term contract.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I suspect Drummond doesn't want to risk proving he isn't worth it with more games played without the long term contract.

I would be very surprised in anybody offers him a long term contract. The Cavs were the highest bidder for his services with a package of Brandon Knight and John Henson. That says a lot. Of course part of it was not wanting to commit $28 million to him this year.

Drummond is going into a contract season and he needs to prove he can adjust his game to help his team win as opposed to being a consistent 18 and 16 guy with a negative +/- . It will be interesting because he's working hard on becoming a stretch 5 to increase his attractiveness but the Cavs may not want him in that role. With some combination of Garland, Sexton, Porter, Love, Nance, and Windler on the floor I wonder how much JBB is going to tolerate Dre running around on the perimeter like a small forward and popping 3-pointers.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

I would be very surprised in anybody offers him a long term contract. The Cavs were the highest bidder for his services with a package of Brandon Knight and John Henson. That says a lot. Of course part of it was not wanting to commit $28 million to him this year.

Drummond is going into a contract season and he needs to prove he can adjust his game to help his team win as opposed to being a consistent 18 and 16 guy with a negative +/- . It will be interesting because he's working hard on becoming a stretch 5 to increase his attractiveness but the Cavs may not want him in that role. With some combination of Garland, Sexton, Porter, Love, Nance, and Windler on the floor I wonder how much JBB is going to tolerate Dre running around on the perimeter like a small forward and popping 3-pointers.

I kind of like Drummond but he is just not part of the modern game. It is all about 3 point shooting and high scoring wings. No team is going to build around his strengths anymore. You need him to accept his role and unfortunately for him,, that is not a $20 million per year role. I expect he is figuring that out now. And of course a global pandemic doesn't help either.