2021 Around MLB: Return of the Dead Ball Era

[CATS44]

So, we don't like track records. And I snicker at SSS.

So let's split the difference.

Kelly's wRC+ over the last two seasons...488 PAs...is about 95.

Stallings....570 PAs is about 94.

Kelly's fWAR is 2.0.

Stallings...3.6.

And defensively it isn't close.

Kelly has 0 DRS in the last two years.
Stallings has 23.

We are talking about somebody to split time with Hedges this year, and presumably split with probably Lavastida in 2023....not a four or five year commitment to a lead catcher.

 

[CDAV45]

So, we don't like track records. And I snicker at SSS.

So let's split the difference.

Kelly's wRC+ over the last two seasons...488 PAs...is about 95.

Stallings....570 PAs is about 94.

Kelly's fWAR is 2.0.

Stallings...3.6.

And defensively it isn't close.

Kelly has 0 DRS in the last two years.
Stallings has 23.

We are talking about somebody to split time with Hedges this year, and presumably split with probably Lavastida in 2023....not a four or five year commitment to a lead catcher.

Hey it's your BS story so tell it however you want. Stallings is more of what we've had which is why his OPS is barely over 700.

 

[macbdog]

6 of the last 10 AL Cy Young award winners have been either Indians or Rays.

 

[CATS44]

Hey it's your BS story so tell it however you want. Stallings is more of what we've had which is why his OPS is barely over 700.

If you want to use OPS without context, be my guest.

According to OPS+ and wRC+, they are equally productive offensively, with a large defensive advantage for Stallings.

But, hey, offense from our catchers is nowhere near the top of my priorities, so carry on about secondary issues.

 

[CATS44]

Anybody else surprised about the rapidity of decisions being made by both teams and players so far?

 

[jup]

6 of the last 10 AL Cy Young award winners have been either Indians or Rays.

So Corbin Burns wins the CY - the award is starting to be a joke when it comes to innings pitched.

When they gave it to Snell a few years back, I had a problem with it. At barely 180 2/3 innings he didn't qualify and there were qualified candidates that were equally or more deserving. I commented back then that Snell winning did not bode well for the future. So now we have a new "Low Water" mark of 167.

The award is now becoming a "sprinter's" award versus a "thoroughbred's". And that is one of the things that used to make it such an accomplishment, the physical demands of making it too 200 innings

EDIT - was thinking about days in a championship season at 182 or 183 for figuring service time when I posted it. Obviously it is based on games at 162, not days in a season. I boneheaded it.

 

[jup]

Anybody else surprised about the rapidity of decisions being made by both teams and players so far?

Not at all. They are all trying to get ahead of the uncertainty that is the CBA.

 

[sportscoach]

So Corbin Burns wins the CY - the award is starting to be a joke when it comes to innings pitched.

When they gave it to Snell a few years back, I had a problem with it. At barely 180 2/3 innings he didn't qualify and there were qualified candidates that were equally or more deserving. I commented back then that Snell winning did not bode well for the future. So now we have a new "Low Water" mark of 167.

The award is now becoming a "sprinter's" award versus a "thoroughbred's". And that is one of the things that used to make it such an accomplishment, the physical demands of making it too 200 innings

That being stated though his numbers were actually legit... 1.63 FIP and 234 SOs in those 167 innings... hard to argue there.

 

[jup]

That being stated though his numbers were actually legit... 1.63 FIP and 234 SOs in those 167 innings... hard to argue there.

I have no problem with his rate stuff, it is the innings. No doubt his numbers are superb. But where do you draw the line.

Used to be you had to be a qualified starter (even if unwritten). Then Snell snuck in - just under the 182 innings. A few years later it falls 13 more.

So if 167 is OK now, how about 150 the next time someone has outstanding rate numbers ? and after 150, how about 135 and .....

EDIT - was thinking about days in a championship season at 182 or 183 for figuring service time when I posted it. Obviously it is based on games at 162, not days in a season. I boneheaded it.

Point remains - where do you now draw the line

 

[BimboColesHair]

167 qualified this year.

This season saw all of 4 guys reach the 200 IP mark, which is the fewest total I can find in modern history.

This is a result of the Covid season fallout. It won’t be the norm.

 

[CATS44]

Back in early September I thought Burnes would win it, because he was the best pitcher in the NL.

But I agree with jup that somehow the CY race now is not what it used to be. Going late into games mattered.

But baseball has changed, pitching has changed, and the rush to advanced statistical analysis has changed the way pitchers are rated.

Wins used to count. Now it is laughed at as a meaningful stat. ERA used to count. Now it is following the path of Wins. IP is going down the drain, too.

The only things that matter are stats that don't go into a boxscore...and Burnes won them.

We have gotten what we seemingly asked for...lol.

 

[sportscoach]

Correa to the Tigers actually isn't something we should rule out...

Carlos Correa Meets With Tigers Manager A.J. Hinch

Longtime Astros shortstop Carlos Correa -- MLBTR's top-ranked free agent -- was spotted having breakfast with Tigers manager A.J. Hinch …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

He has a connection to Hinch and the Tigers need a player like him..

 

[CATS44]

Detroits SS situation is a hot mess. I would be surprised if the Tigers didn't upgrade there.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I think Correa’s personality won’t let him sign with Detroit because they won’t be the highest bidder for his services.

He wants to get paid more than Frankie, don’t think the Tigers go quite that far though.

He feels like a Yankees lean to me.

 

[DCTribefan]

I think Correa’s personality won’t let him sign with Detroit because they won’t be the highest bidder for his services.

He wants to get paid more than Frankie, don’t think the Tigers go quite that far though.

He feels like a Yankees lean to me.

Good. Hope the Cole and Correa contracts constrain their budget for the rest of their needs.