2021 Draft Prospects Thread

[bob2the2nd]

how many more 10+ win seasons, playoff wins and MVP’s does he need in order for him to be considered succesful?

Re-read what I said. I said "long term". He is absolutely one hell of a player right now. But he is going to get beat up continuing to play like he has (he already took a huge step back) which will end his career. To have a long term career he has to change how he plays. He is on the right team for that but has a long way to go

 

[Rookie]

What? Are you serious? Lamar is literally on one of the best coached teams in the league. If he can't succeed long term at the ravens (he won't) he can't succeed anywhere (he can't)

The Ravens are designed to be a run heavy team. Have you seen Lamar's receiving group? It's one of the worse in the league. Who is he throwing to? Ravens pass-catchers dropped 7.5 percent of Lamar's passes, which is the highest in the league.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The Ravens are designed to be a run heavy team. Have you seen Lamar's receiving group? It's one of the worse in the league. Who is he throwing to? Ravens pass-catchers dropped 7.5 percent of Lamar's passes, which is the highest in the league.

If we're being honest, Lamar is just not a great passer, and he hasn't improved the way you'd like him to in three years. He's still a weapon because of his speed and athleticism, and he's not totally incompetent throwing the ball. He's just never going to be a guy who can sling it down the field with the accuracy you want to see from an elite quarterback.

The question with relatively inaccurate, mobile quarterbacks is always long-term durability. Will Jackson hold up over time as he continues to rush the ball 200 times per year? That's always the issue with guys like him. Mobile QBs tend to rush less and less over the course of their careers for obvious reasons, but if you can't succeed in the pocket and/or deliver your passes with accuracy, this means diminishing returns over time.

As far as Jackson's MVP season goes, he was indisputably amazing, but there were red flags there for sure. He had an utterly unsustainable touchdown rate, as we saw this year when he came crashing back down to earth. He's on one of the best-coached teams in the league, which has surely helped his cause, but as we saw in 2020, eventually other teams adjust. The Ravens' biggest weakness with Jackson under center has been when they have to play from behind and thus must rely on him to be a passer, which is why they've petered out two postseasons in a row.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I think the point that @bob2the2nd is trying to make, is that historically “run first” quarterbacks have had LESS long term success in the NFL as opposed to pass first/pocket passer/mobile quarterbacks.

Frankly, i agree and i have been up on this “he will not have a long injury free/successful career until he learns to manage the game from the pocket” hill for a long time.

Importantly — no one is debating he has not had success and is one AMAZING athlete. Without question, Lamar is an elite runner/athlete for sure — is he an elite NFL quarterback? I do not know and only time will tell.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think the point that @bob2the2nd is trying to make, is that historically “run forst” quarterbacks have had LESS long term success in the NFL as opposed to pass frost/pocket passer/mobile quarterbacks.

Frankly, i agree amd have been up on this “he will not have a long injury free/successful career until he learns to manage the game from the pocker” hill for a long time.

Importantly — no one is debating he has not had success and is one AMAZING athlete. Without question, Lamar is an elite runner/athlete for sure — is he an elite NFL quarterback — i do not know and only time will tell.

Russell Wilson is really the only mobile QB of that archetype I can think of who has had sustained, long-term success in recent years, and he's also absolutely elite at slinging the ball. Kyler Murray might fall into this bracket as well, but he's only been in the league two years, so time will tell.

 

[Lee]

Russell Wilson is really the only mobile QB of that archetype I can think of who has had sustained, long-term success in recent years, and he's also absolutely elite at slinging the ball. Kyler Murray might fall into this bracket as well, but he's only been in the league two years, so time will tell.

Mahommes doesnt count?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Mahommes doesnt count?

I mean, he can move in the pocket, but I don't consider him a mobile QB like Lamar Jackson. He's more of an Aaron Rodgers type where he can extend the play with his legs, but he's not looking to run forty yards for a touchdown.

 

[Lee]

I mean, he can move in the pocket, but I don't consider him a mobile QB like Lamar Jackson. He's more of an Aaron Rodgers type where he can extend the play with his legs, but he's not looking to run forty yards for a touchdown.

Its close, he is right behind Josh Allen who i do consider a mobile QB, almost triple Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Its close, he is right behind Josh Allen who i do consider a mobile QB, almost triple Aaron Rodgers.

Sure, but Josh Allen is built more like Cam Newton. He's 6'5 and 240 pounds.

 

[Lee]

Sure, but Josh Allen is built more like Cam Newton. He's 6'5 and 240 pounds.

Mahommes is 6'3 and a solid 230lbs.

I think we are arguing semantics, as Mahommes doesnt run as much as he could, but he still runs some

 

[Jack Brickman]

Mahommes is 6'3 and a solid 230lbs.

I think we are arguing semantics, as Mahommes doesnt run as much as he could, but he still runs some

Mahomes is listed at 6'2, 225 where I'm looking. That may not seem like a big difference, but it is.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Given the recent "guard rails" boards I've seen where they use some pretty vital data, I ran a sim to see what we would be looking at.

 

[sportscoach]

No QB this year, maybe next. We have 5 more years of Baker if we want. 2 more on the contract and 3 franchise tags. Its not what we should do, but Baker not being extended yet 3 years into a 5 year contract is not a big deal. Browns are committed to him and Baker is committed to us.

I'm not against a day 3 QB if it's the best player available, but I also don't expect one either. I haven't scouted the QBs this season to say who will be all there but I think we can trust the brain trust if we take a QB.

 

[DJTJ]

Given the recent "guard rails" boards I've seen where they use some pretty vital data, I ran a sim to see what we would be looking at.


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I’d cry. I’d honestly cry.

 

[sportscoach]

Given the recent "guard rails" boards I've seen where they use some pretty vital data, I ran a sim to see what we would be looking at.


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I don't see how we go with a WR in the 1st round if we are keeping Odell, but overall the positions all make sense in the end. Defensive focus draft while adding depth at WR, OLine makes a ton of sense