2021 Draft Prospects Thread

[Vee-Rex]

We don't know if they have that or not. That's a mark on the coaching, not Lamar.

Lamar has a glaring weakness in that he struggles to throw outside the numbers. He has inconsistent ball placement in the middle of the field but his legs are so elite that defenses struggle in trying to contain him AND not leave TEs and WRs wide open in the middle of the field. He is pretty terrible in passing against man coverage but eats it alive with his legs, and zone works best to defend against his legs but he is able to pick it apart sometimes with his passing.

I guess my point is - unless he improves his passing and ball placement, I really don't care if he had 2 Calvin Johnsons as outside receivers. He's not going to utilize them well, and if he tries to force it to the outside a lot in a game then he's playing right into the defense's hands.

I love Lamar as a person and think that as long as he remains healthy he will remain a major problem/obstacle for us. Until he loses athleticism, that is.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I don't see how we go with a WR in the 1st round if we are keeping Odell, but overall the positions all make sense in the end. Defensive focus draft while adding depth at WR, OLine makes a ton of sense

Fully agree.

And while I don't know a lot about the prospects, let's be real: a lot of us are gonna talk ourselves into liking whatever decision they make anyway.

 

[sportscoach]

Fully agree.

And while I don't know a lot about the prospects, let's be real: a lot of us are gonna talk ourselves into liking whatever decision they make anyway.

Honestly outside of DLine and LB, we really are going BPA since we don't need starters anywhere else in my opinion. It's nice having 9 picks and being able to really just do BPA without any worries...

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't see how we go with a WR in the 1st round if we are keeping Odell...

We have to accept the fact that one of Odell or Landry, and possibly both, will be gone a year from now, and smart teams act accordingly. Better to add a new receiver now, so he gets a year in our offense without the pressure of being a day one starter, than to have to bring in a rookie next year needing him to produce immediately.

 

[sportscoach]

We have to accept the fact that one of Odell or Landry, and possibly both, will be gone a year from now, and smart teams act accordingly. Better to add a new receiver now, so he gets a year in our offense without the pressure of being a day one starter, than to have to bring in a rookie next year needing him to produce immediately.

I get that, but letting go of Richardson (at the moment) and Ogunjobi, our center of our DLine needs additional manpower and this draft sadly is not deep in them... Plus how much many would be invested in our WR core?

I won't have any issues if we do draft a WR in round one, but partially I don't want the controversy in Cleveland with are we keeping Odell, which would be the headline...lol

This draft is BPA with the focus on defense, but I expect some type of WR/TE sometime in this draft, so no qualms with a first round WR, but not exactly who I want...

 

[Douglar]

I don't see how we go with a WR in the 1st round if we are keeping Odell, but overall the positions all make sense in the end. Defensive focus draft while adding depth at WR, OLine makes a ton of sense

I agree. This isn't the year to take a flier on a guy in the first round that will sit on the bench for a year. The team needs depth at some key defensive positions for 2021 with the possibility of stepping up to a starter role for 2022. They'll want someone who can play when needed.

I expect that the first round pick is going to be the best CB, Edge, or DT available. Seems likely that one of these four will be on the board at #26: Jayson Oweh, Greg Newsome, Christian Barimore, or Gregory Rousseau are probably on the Browns board in that order. Can't see the analytics based Browns front office passing up those guys for anyone else unless someone awesome drops out of the top 15.

Second Round is probably going to be CB, Edge, or DT again, excluding whatever position they drafted in the first round, but that's a little less certain, because the chances of someone really good falling to them get higher. If someone really good falls to them for a position they don't need, they could trade out.

3rd round & 4th rounds will likely fill in the remaining defensive positions of need plus O-line depth. Also a pretty good chance that one or two of these picks gets flipped to next year too.

WR is going to be a day three flier on someone with potential, with maybe a line backer.

p.s seems likely that Richardson comes back, imho, but it isn't going to affect the Browns draft. Teams are too cap limited this year to give him the deal that he wants. Browns are not going to pass on talent hoping that Richardson comes back on a one year spring-board contract.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Given the recent "guard rails" boards I've seen where they use some pretty vital data, I ran a sim to see what we would be looking at.


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At 26, if we go receiver, I'd be shocked if it's Bateman.

I suspect, due to production and testing, every single analytic model has both Rondale Moore and Terrace Marshall ahead of him.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I agree. This isn't the year to take a flier on a guy in the first round that will sit on the bench for a year. The team needs depth at some key defensive positions for 2021 with the possibility of stepping up to a starter role for 2022. They'll want someone who can play when needed.

I expect that the first round pick is going to be the best CB, Edge, or DT available. Seems likely that one of these four will be on the board at #26: Jayson Oweh, Greg Newsome, Christian Barimore, or Gregory Rousseau are probably on the Browns board in that order. Can't see the analytics based Browns front office passing up those guys for anyone else unless someone awesome drops out of the top 15.

Second Round is probably going to be CB, Edge, or DT again, excluding whatever position they drafted in the first round, but that's a little less certain, because the chances of someone really good falling to them get higher. If someone really good falls to them for a position they don't need, they could trade out.

Third round & 4th rounds will likely fill in the third defensive position of need plus O-line depth.

The chance that they trade one or two picks for a future pick next year is pretty high too.

WR is going to be a a day three flier on someone with potential.

p.s seems likely that Richardson comes back, imho. Teams are too cap limited this year to give him the deal that he wants.

Just an FYI, all if your guys were there at 26 except Newsome. I don't think Barmore is good, and Jayson Oweh is...not some one worth investing in. I know some will claim that Gregory Rousseau is going to be loved, but his agility scores are going to seriously hinder him.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

At 26, if we go receiver, I'd be shocked if it's Bateman.

I suspect, due to production and testing, every single analytic model has both Rondale Moore and Terrace Marshall ahead of him.

Moore is possibly higher, no chance Marshall would be, imo

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Moore is possibly higher, no chance Marshall would be, imo

Third highest RAS in the class is going to elevate Terrace Marshall.

 

[kriegs]

It’s funny how quickly after the diarrhea bowl were all willing to ‘dump’ on Lamar. Dudes a National treasure and a stud even if he might never qualify as top 5 in the league. I suspect he will have much more longevity than RG3, unfortunately for us.

 

[DJTJ]

Fully agree.

And while I don't know a lot about the prospects, let's be real: a lot of us are gonna talk ourselves into liking whatever decision they make anyway.

I disagree with this assumption. There are multiple players who, if we draft, will make me very, very upset.

I’ll support them, but I’ll also openly want to roast the pick. I’m sure others who actively follow the draft feel similar.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

It’s funny how quickly after the diarrhea bowl were all willing to ‘dump’ on Lamar. Dudes a National treasure and a stud even if he might never qualify as top 5 in the league. I suspect he will have much more longevity than RG3, unfortunately for us.

Lamar Jackson is an incredible runner.

Lamar Jackson is a poor passer.

Lamar Jackson already has more career longevity at a high level than RG3 did.

I'm not sure which of these statements you have issue with, and I'm not sure which of them is considered "dumping" on Lamar Jackson... but "national treasure" is certainly hyperbole.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Honest - I've been salivating over Horn or the best WR after the top 3 are gone (and Pitts of course). I've said it before - we cannot rely on OBJ for a full season. Together, we could have 2 burners on the outside, and insurance for the next season when contracts are up. Would love size and speed on the outside....loved me some DK Metcalf and wished we drafted him (led my fantasy team some weeks too lol). I see risk in the WR room as-is, and a strong bolster here would add protection all around.

I don't see value in using 26 on a DT or LB, and see the Edge pool as a bit risky (unless Kwity is there). Love the top 3 CBs, but don't see them falling. Big advocate of moving up around 10 spots to get your guy. We are in win-now mode, and adding this many rookies in lieu of using that cap space to add a few Vets in key spots....hmmm....I prefer the latter. Use some of those picks to move up!

 

[Cement]