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The interesting thing about the Barnes discussion to me is that there's almost no argument about what he does well vs what he doesn't, it seems like we're all in agreement on this. The argument seems to center around how effective he can be with his current skill set and how much room he has to improve.

To me, I see major problems whenever you rely on a non-shooter to initiate and create a big part of the team's offense. You even see it with Giannis before he embraced working off ball and rolling more, and Giannis is just about as good as you can possibly be with his archetype. Shooting is the single most important and most synergistic skill in basketball- you can never have enough, and more shooting only makes things easier for your teammates and raises the offensive efficiency as a whole.

I'm also really skeptical that Barnes will ever shoot well enough to justify being a go-to option as his mechanics are a mess on the move, he shoots a low percentage from the free throw line, and I believe he also had really bad touch on floaters and push shots (?).

Even if he settles into a Draymond type player, Draymond has major limitations that really show up whenever he isn't playing with maybe the best off-ball scorer in NBA history. As much as he would allow us to be versatile with defensive personnel, he would also shoehorn us into our offensive personnel as everyone around him would need to be a great shooter.

If guys want to draft him in the top 4 because they believe he can work on his shooting to the point that it isn't a weakness, then I can see that. But if they think the shooting just isn't important for a guy with his skill-set, I just really disagree.
If he's a Giannis like player, how important is the shooting really? I'm not saying he's going to be a Giannis when he gets to the league, but he is very similar. I don't imagine he'll be as good but I kinda think he'll be close, I don't think he'll impact the game with scoring as much as Giannis, but maybe be more of a playmaker. I think that's what's intriguing about Barnes, he's got a wide range in terms of where his skill set and intangibles can take him, but the upside seems so high.

With that said, I wouldn't pass on the chance to take Mobley. My concern with Barnes isn't so much the shooting, it's the touch around the rim. I don't know if that's a thing that guys can really develop to a high level if they don't already have it. Leads me to think it's less likely he'll ever be a big time scorer.
 
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If he's a Giannis like player, how important is the shooting really? I'm not saying he's going to be a Giannis when he gets to the league, but he is very similar. I don't imagine he'll be as good but I kinda think he'll be close, I don't think he'll impact the game with scoring as much as Giannis, but maybe be more of a playmaker. I think that's what's intriguing about Barnes, he's got a wide range in terms of where his skill set and intangibles can take him, but the upside seems so high.

With that said, I wouldn't pass on the chance to take Mobley. My concern with Barnes isn't so much the shooting, it's the touch around the rim. I don't know if that's a thing that guys can really develop to a high level if they don't already have it. Makes me lean towards thinkings he'll never be a big time scorer.

So, I just don't think he's in Giannis' ballpark as a physical specimen, and I can't see him being anywhere close as a scorer at the rim. As you said, he also has possibly questionable touch at the rim, not much of a floater game, and similar free throw weaknesses. Seeing him as even a secondary scoring option takes a whole lot of projection, and it's tough to see him as a primary handler if he has that much trouble scoring.
 
ESPN’s Fran Frischilla on draft prospects (per NY Post interview):


Q: Oklahoma State’s Cade Cunningham?

A: Cade Cunningham is not Luka Doncic, but he is a big, physical, power forward-looking point guard. Cade Cunningham was to the Big 12 what Luka Doncic was to the Euro League. He has the IQ of a smart, seven-year NBA veteran, he has great court vision, he can play in any system, he is tremendous in pick-and-roll, he will shoot it in the NBA at a high level. The question mark with him, like Doncic coming in: Is he going be athletic enough to dominate games? And Luka Doncic kind of put that to rest. Cade is the safest of the top four or five picks. It’s hard to see him failing because of his size, his skills and his unique basketball acumen.

Q: USC’s Evan Mobley?

A: He could be Chris Bosh’s little brother. Long, athletic, skilled two-way big man, shot-blocking ability, ability to face up, ability to score inside. The only thing he lacks is physical maturity. He’s 20 years old, he’s 215 pounds and he’s desperately in need of getting to 235. Then you’ll have a 7-foot, multi-skilled, two-way big man.

Q: Gonzaga’s Jalen Suggs?

A: Mark Few told me he’s the most competitive kid he’s ever coached at Gonzaga. Jalen Suggs is a big point guard who can play off the ball, he defends, he can run a team, he can make shots. When you talk about mid-to-late career Chauncey Billups, you’re talking about borderline Hall of Famer, this kid has a lot of different areas of guard play to hang his hat on.

Q: Jalen Green out of the G-League?

A: Jalen Green could end up being the best player in this draft. I think he’s going be in that Bradley Beal, Russell Westbrook, Dame Lillard, Zach LaVine area where he’s going be like a 28- to 30-point scorer once he hits his prime. He’s your classic bucket-getter. He should be an NBA All-Star wing player. There’s a chance for generational greatness here, like a once-every-15- years kind of greatness, but at worst he’s going be a high-level scorer in the league.

Q: The G-League’s Jonathan Kuminga?

A: Looks like Tarzan, but we’re not sure yet whether he’s gonna play like Tarzan or Jane. When they make the prototype of an NBA player, it’s Jonathan Kuminga. He’s athletic and agile, he has a good shooting stroke, the only thing he lacks right now to me is he is not a great ball handler. If there’s a question mark with him, [it] is, can he create his own shot? He has more of the fail factor than the other four, but he also has tremendous upside. He’s a feast-or-famine. Likely more feast than famine, but I wish he was a better ball handler and shot creator and play creator.

Q: Florida State’s Scottie Barnes?

A: One of the best kids you’ll ever meet. It worries me that he’s not a great shooter. I think he’s gonna be a good NBA player because he’s only 20 years old. He’s not as dynamic an athlete as Ben Simmons was, but a similar type of game.

 
To me, I don't think there's any question Mobley is the guy we should all be hope falls to #3... In a perimeter oriented game, having a big man who can do it all defensively and adapt to styles offensively is just as important as having wing oriented players... I just think his overall skillset combined with his athletic profile will lead to a highly productive player...

I get the attraction to Barnes but I just can't get over his lack of shooting, particularly for this team... In today's game, lack of shooting for a perimeter player is truly as big of an inhibitor as any other skill... If the Cavs had solid shooters all around, I really wouldn't bat an eye.. But putting him in a core with Allen, Okoro and maybe Nance, I just don't think there's enough shooting outside of SexLand to make it work... I also don't think there's enough proof (11 3P makes and 62% FT) to believe he'll be able to overcome it for this current collection of Cavs players...

Similar to Barnes lack of shooting, I worry similarily about Sengun's athleticism leading into his defensive ability... Again for this core, I worry about him being more of a 4.5 and his range not being there just yet... Again for this core, I think it will limit his effectiveness... I'm not sure if Allen is the right pairing for Sengun and vice versa... There's no doubt the talent, BBIQ and advanced skillset for his age is there but just not sure I'd feel comfortable betting on him as a top 5 pick and the Cavs only pick... If they acquired him as a second 1st round pick, that'd be a different story..

What's the word on Ayo? I feel like there hasn't been much buzz around him for as productive as he's been... With his frame and play profile, I think he'd be an interesting target to pair with SexLand...

I'm also interested to see where Charles Bassey and Jay Huff end up, for different reasons... Bassey for the sheer size, talent and production... Huff for the 3&D potential as a big...
 
I can't imagine Barnes being a star except as a primary ballhandler. I imagine if you look at 1-and-done lottery picks with similar assist numbers, they're either primary ballhandlers or (gulp) busts.

How good is Barnes' ball handling? I think that's where the different is with guys his size that can handle the ball. Some have the size and ball handling to get anywhere they want on the floor in college but once they get to the NBA the ball handling just isn't good enough to keep up.
 
How good is Barnes' ball handling? I think that's where the different is with guys his size that can handle the ball. Some have the size and ball handling to get anywhere they want on the floor in college but once they get to the NBA the ball handling just isn't good enough to keep up.

I'm probably not the right person to give a detailed analysis of his handle. What I will say is that it's almost impossible to put up good assist:TO numbers in college without a good handle. That's because you have to (A.) keep your head up and read the defense while you dribble and (B.) not turn the ball over while doing (A.). Basically an impossible task if you're not a very good ballhandler.
 
I like Barnes as a prospect…. But if the Cavs take Barnes at #3 I am officially done with the Cavs.

As a lifelong Cavs fan I have witnessed several idiotic decisions by our front office. But this one would be unforgivable. The top 3 is obvious. You pick whichever of the 3 falls to you.

If our front office reaches in THIS draft after lucking out with the #3 pick then every single person needs fired and replaced.
Historically those taken 2nd overall based on the same consensus theories each draft, rarely turn out as good one or two taken later by better scouting departments than the ones listening to the hype noise or watching highlights and thinking optimistically.
imo you have to put Suggs in the same tier as Green and you should at least consider that Barnes does everything at a high level besides shoot from distance. He is by far the actual 2nd best prospect in this draft neck and neck with Cunningham and will be a Ben Simmons clone if his shooting never improves. I think Mobley is the clear cut overall BPA because of the things he does well already take most bigs a decade to achieve.
 
ESPN’s Fran Frischilla on draft prospects (per NY Post interview):


Q: Oklahoma State’s Cade Cunningham?

A: Cade Cunningham is not Luka Doncic, but he is a big, physical, power forward-looking point guard. Cade Cunningham was to the Big 12 what Luka Doncic was to the Euro League. He has the IQ of a smart, seven-year NBA veteran, he has great court vision, he can play in any system, he is tremendous in pick-and-roll, he will shoot it in the NBA at a high level. The question mark with him, like Doncic coming in: Is he going be athletic enough to dominate games? And Luka Doncic kind of put that to rest. Cade is the safest of the top four or five picks. It’s hard to see him failing because of his size, his skills and his unique basketball acumen.

Q: USC’s Evan Mobley?

A: He could be Chris Bosh’s little brother. Long, athletic, skilled two-way big man, shot-blocking ability, ability to face up, ability to score inside. The only thing he lacks is physical maturity. He’s 20 years old, he’s 215 pounds and he’s desperately in need of getting to 235. Then you’ll have a 7-foot, multi-skilled, two-way big man.

Q: Gonzaga’s Jalen Suggs?

A: Mark Few told me he’s the most competitive kid he’s ever coached at Gonzaga. Jalen Suggs is a big point guard who can play off the ball, he defends, he can run a team, he can make shots. When you talk about mid-to-late career Chauncey Billups, you’re talking about borderline Hall of Famer, this kid has a lot of different areas of guard play to hang his hat on.

Q: Jalen Green out of the G-League?

A: Jalen Green could end up being the best player in this draft. I think he’s going be in that Bradley Beal, Russell Westbrook, Dame Lillard, Zach LaVine area where he’s going be like a 28- to 30-point scorer once he hits his prime. He’s your classic bucket-getter. He should be an NBA All-Star wing player. There’s a chance for generational greatness here, like a once-every-15- years kind of greatness, but at worst he’s going be a high-level scorer in the league.

Q: The G-League’s Jonathan Kuminga?

A: Looks like Tarzan, but we’re not sure yet whether he’s gonna play like Tarzan or Jane. When they make the prototype of an NBA player, it’s Jonathan Kuminga. He’s athletic and agile, he has a good shooting stroke, the only thing he lacks right now to me is he is not a great ball handler. If there’s a question mark with him, [it] is, can he create his own shot? He has more of the fail factor than the other four, but he also has tremendous upside. He’s a feast-or-famine. Likely more feast than famine, but I wish he was a better ball handler and shot creator and play creator.

Q: Florida State’s Scottie Barnes?

A: One of the best kids you’ll ever meet. It worries me that he’s not a great shooter. I think he’s gonna be a good NBA player because he’s only 20 years old. He’s not as dynamic an athlete as Ben Simmons was, but a similar type of game.

Wow Fran dissing the cavs culture in his Sexton write up.
 
Wasn’t Thiebs run out of Chicago? So now he’s the coach whisperer?
 

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