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2022-2023 Regular Season: A New Power Rises in the East

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Is This the Greatest Team in NBA History?

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Okoro tends to look good against scrubs
well sometimes stars take off those nights....so if Okoro wants to show he's valuable by playing good those games when others take a break and we let those games slip... I'm all for it. (but this is an incredibly optimistic take from me about Okoro....)
 
Not that it matters really, but the lack of national coverage on the Cavs is laughable. Even NBA's twitter account is sucked right into anything Brooklyn/NY, LA/SF, Boston... and basically nothing else. You'd think the goal of the NBA, as a product, would be to promote all the teams and grow the fanbases as a whole, but it feels like instead of trying to grow, they're grasping on to their biggest markets hoping they won't disappear.
 
This is all just a learning process on what’s going to continue to work. There have been nights where it hasn’t worked, and I think that’s what helped us get to this point. - Donovan Mitchell after the win over the Hawks

The resiliency and the will to just figure it out, I think we did that for the majority of the night. The most important thing is the last five minutes. I think there was a big step forward there, and hope it breeds that confidence and an understanding of how to do it. We’re going to be tested again. We’ve got to continue to pass those tests. - JBB after the Hawks game

I think we really learned from that losing streak. We were able to bounce back, go back to the drawing board and just home in on our habits. We’ve been doing a good job of holding everybody accountable to living up to their standards on the defensive side...It’s just making that decision of how good we really want to be. Sometimes you have to get uncomfortable to do big things. - Lamar Stevens
 
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And? Is that supposed to be an accomplishment?
No. But normally you would think losing to the Kings would be really bad. My point is they're not a doormat any more. They're a pretty damn good team right now (9-2 over their last 11) and losing a close one on the road with your All-Star point guard a shadow of himself due to illness is not a loss to get discouraged about.
 
We've been moaning about the problem at small forward since the season started (or before), but I'm wondering if we might have found a solution.

Cedi Osman has had back-to-back outstanding games. Against Miami (admittedly depleted) he had 20 points, 12 boards, and was an astonishing +39 in 37 minutes.

Against the Hawks he went 8-for-10 and scored 23 points with a +9 on a night when LeVert and Wade were out.

It's not just two games. For the month of November he's shooting 52.3% overall and a blistering 44.1% on 3's. For the season the numbers are almost as good; 48.3% and 40.6%. That's a significant improvement over last year's 43.2% and 35.7%. It's still early so maybe he regresses to last year's numbers, which are almost identical to his career numbers, but I'm hopeful that in his 6th season he's matured and found a way to improve his game.

Cedi's effective field goal percentages the last three years (including this year): 45.8%, 54.6%, 60.3%. His shooting percentages at the rim: 55%, 62%, 74%. Looks like a trend.

I've noticed he's starting to attack the rim in the half-court offense, which he never used to do before. He's developed a nice spin move when he gets to the paint and he's better finishing with his left hand, which he was unable to do earlier in his career.

He's also showing good judgment on when to take the 3-point shot and when to move the ball. He and Love seem to work really well together. It's also possible his improved 3-point accuracy is due to getting more uncontested 3's due to the addition of Donovan Mitchell and the attention he draws.

After the last two games Cedi now leads the Cavs in on/off at +17.5. His contribution is totally on the offensive end (+18.8). He's a very small liability on defense (+1.3).

Dean Wade is second on the team in on/off at +15.3. He's the opposite of Cedi; +3.4 points offensively and -11.8 defensively. JBB can play one or the other depending on who else is on the court and the opponent.

My recommendation when Wade is ready to play is to start Wade and have him and Cedi split the minutes at small forward. Which one gets more minutes will depend on the opponent, the matchups, who else is in the Cavs' lineup, and the score.

For example, when the opponent's high scoring wing is on the floor, go with Wade. When he sits down, bring in Cedi.

I would not have either Okoro or Stevens in the rotation with everybody healthy. Garland, Mitchell, LeVert, and Rubio at guard, Wade and Cedi at the 3, Mobley and Love at the 4, Allen and Lopez/Mobley at the 5.

If this year's versions of Cedi and Wade are for real, we may not have a problem at small forward, assuming each one is used correctly, one for defense and one for offense, depending on the opponent and the score.
 
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The Cavs still need to get better at starting the 3rd quarter. This is a problem they had last year.

Last night against the Hawks they came out lethargic and were outscored 12-2 in just under four minutes to start the 3rd quarter.

Against Milwaukee last week they were outscored 16-3 in five minutes to start the 3rd. In the other 43 minutes they were outscored by 2. The game was lost in those five minutes.

They have their starters on the floor to start the second half. Their starters should not be getting hammered in the first 4-5 minutes before they wake up and start playing.

This hasn't been a consistent problem. Their scoring margins by quarter are: +1.6, +0.5, +1.5, and +1.9. The second quarter has been their worst; the rest are about the same. But I think JBB should mention it at halftimes and emphasize coming out of the locker room with the determination to win the 3rd quarter.
 
As much as I hate it (cause I think it ruins the game in a lot of ways), we need to be taking a lot more 3s. We got lucky last night they weren't hitting at a little higher clip or the game would have been tight...

Just comparing to all teams last night we were well under average, which was well over 30 attempts, and some shooting over 50 attempts (barf). But the numbers just work out that way. Better to be 34% at 3 than 50% at 2.
 
I have the Cavs going 14-4 in their next 18 games and heading into 2023 with a 25-10 record. Not too shabby.
 
Provided we can keep all of the egos of the stars in check...we are on the cusp of something special here in the Land. We have the 4 man nucleus...we just need a wing and our role players to fill in the gaps. In the long run...my main concern is one of Mobley, Spida, or DG is gonna have to take a backseat and be a 3rd option...for any of those 3- thats a career defining sacrifice. I would venture to assume it would have to be Mobley until things shuffle down the line...
 
We've been moaning about the problem at small forward since the season started (or before), but I'm wondering if we might have found a solution.

Cedi Osman has had back-to-back outstanding games. Against Miami (admittedly depleted) he had 20 points, 12 boards, and was an astonishing +39 in 37 minutes.

Against the Hawks he went 8-for-10 and scored 23 points with a +9 on a night when LeVert and Wade were out.

It's not just two games. For the month of November he's shooting 52.3% overall and a blistering 44.1% on 3's. For the season the numbers are almost as good; 48.3% and 40.6%. That's a significant improvement over last year's 43.2% and 35.7%. It's still early so maybe he regresses to last year's numbers, which are almost identical to his career numbers, but I'm hopeful that in his 6th season he's matured and found a way to improve his game.

Cedi's effective field goal percentages the last three years (including this year): 45.8%, 54.6%, 60.3%. His shooting percentages at the rim: 55%, 62%, 74%. Looks like a trend.

I've noticed he's starting to attack the rim in the half-court offense, which he never used to do before. He's developed a nice spin move when he gets to the paint and he's better finishing with his left hand, which he was unable to do earlier in his career.

He's also showing good judgment on when to take the 3-point shot and when to move the ball. He and Love seem to work really well together. It's also possible his improved 3-point accuracy is due to getting more uncontested 3's due to the addition of Donovan Mitchell and the attention he draws.

After the last two games Cedi now leads the Cavs in on/off at +17.5. His contribution is totally on the offensive end (+18.8). He's a very small liability on defense (+1.3).

Dean Wade is second on the team in on/off at +15.3. He's the opposite of Cedi; +3.4 points offensively and -11.8 defensively. JBB can play one or the other depending on who else is on the court and the opponent.

My recommendation when Wade is ready to play is to start Wade and have him and Cedi split the minutes at small forward. Which one gets more minutes will depend on the opponent, the matchups, who else is in the Cavs' lineup, and the score.

For example, when the opponent's high scoring wing is on the floor, go with Wade. When he sits down, bring in Cedi.

I would not have either Okoro or Stevens in the rotation with everybody healthy. Garland, Mitchell, LeVert, and Rubio at guard, Wade and Cedi at the 3, Mobley and Love at the 4, Allen and Lopez/Mobley at the 5.

If this year's versions of Cedi and Wade are for real, we may not have a problem at small forward, assuming each one is used correctly, one for defense and one for offense, depending on the opponent and the score.

Not having Stevens in the rotation would be criminal with how he’s played. When Donovan Mitchell is praising Stevens for being someone that holds everyone accountable, I don’t think he’s going to drop out of the rotation without a significant upgrade via trade. The fact that he was a last resort even behind Okoro was so stupid as he generally looked better at the 3 than Okoro last year. When Wade is back, I want to see more lineups with Stevens/Cedi at SF and Wade at PF. He’s going to have to play more at PF against teams like, Milwaukee, Boston, Philly, and maybe Brooklyn due to matchups.

Unless we make a trade for another big or Diakite magically develops without playing, Wades’s the only PF we have outside of Mobley that can be effective defensively against some of those athletic PF/Wing hybrids. For example, if the Celtics are playing Smart, Brogdan, Brown, Tatum, R Willams, you can’t really have Love on the floor or we’ll get toasted defensively. Either Mobley or Wade needs to be out there to matchup with Tatum.

As for Cedi, the only thing he’s really proven so far is that he’s incredibly streaky, and I don’t think it’s suddenly going to change this year. While Stevens might not throw up your flamethrower games like Cedi, he’s much more consistent in what to expect from him and is the type of player you want to have available to sub in when Cedi’s getting toasted on defense or throwing up one of his clunker offensive games.
 
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I have the Cavs going 14-4 in their next 18 games and heading into 2023 with a 25-10 record. Not too shabby.
Yeah, I was noticing they have a soft spot coming up. The next 11 games (not in order) along with the The Athletic's current ranking of each opponent (they have the Cavs 8th but that was before they beat Atlanta, ranked 4th):

Milwaukee (A) 2nd
Portland (H) 11th
Toronto (A) 13th
Sacramento (H) 14th
Philly (H) 16th
Knicks (A) 17th
OKC (H) 25th
Lakers (H) 26th
Orlando (H) 27th
San Antonio (A) 29th
Detroit (A) 30th

Portland is tomorrow and Lillard is out. I could see the Cavs winning 9 or 10. They won't beat Milwaukee away and maybe not Toronto away.
 
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Yeah, I was noticing they have a soft spot coming up. The next 11 games (not in order) along with the The Athletic's current ranking of each opponent (they have the Cavs 8th but that was before they beat Atlanta, ranked 4th):

Milwaukee (A) 2nd
Portland (H) 11th
Toronto (A) 13th
Sacramento (H) 14th
Philly (H) 16th
Knicks (A) 17th
OKC (H) 25th
Lakers (H) 26th
Orlando (H) 27th
San Antonio (A) 29th
Detroit (A) 30th

Portland is tomorrow and Lillard is out. I could see the Cavs winning 9 or 10. They won't beat Milwaukee away and maybe not Toronto away.
We have to be careful about saying things like "they WON'T win their game against Team x." There isn't a game on their schedule that is unwinnable, i.e., I'd give them at least 20% chance, maybe even 25% chance against every team left on their schedule.

Forget about the first Milwaukee game. That was the worst game the Cavs have played this season BY FAR. They could definitely beat them next time.
 
Don't get too high when you're winning, don't get too low when you're losing.

We've just barely scratched the surface. They key is keeping our Fab Four healthy and on the court playing steady rotation minutes. The rest is interchangable.

For me Wade should be the starting three when he gets healthy, with Stevens being the guy off the bench to replace him. That keeps us strong defensively and Wade can hit the corner three pointers.

LeVert should be the first guard off the bench once he heals up. But when Rubio comes Back? We'll just have to wait and see how that shakes out. But damn, get all these complimentary players healthy and we all of a sudden are DEEEEEEP.

In crunch time I want to see us develop a four man game. Make opponents guess and try to figure out who to focus on between Garland and Mitchell with the other one moving off ball. Run a three man game with either guard facilitating, the other running off a screen, and JA or Mobley being the roll/lob threat with the other big guy slashing in to clean up. Just keep working every variation, get to where every option is available, attacking where the soft spots appear, lather rinse repeat, and wear it like a glove. Then just run it, run it, run it, and dare anyone to stop it.

I think we can have an unstoppable offensive attack that defenses can't stymie even when they know what's coming.
 
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