2022-2023 Regular Season: A New Power Rises in the East

[Wham with the Right Hand]

For me Wade should be the starting three when he gets healthy, with Stevens being the guy off the bench to replace him. That keeps us strong defensively and Wade can hit the corner three pointers.

What about Cedi? He's shooting 48% overall, 40% on 3's, and leads the team in on/off at +17.5. You're playing him ahead of Stevens? The Cavs are -20.3 points per 100 possessions when he is on the floor - worst on the team.

 

[Futuredome]

What about Cedi? He's shooting 48% overall, 40% on 3's, and leads the team in on/off at +17.5. You're playing him ahead of Stevens? The Cavs are -20.3 points per 100 possessions when he is on the floor - worst on the team.

Too much Turkish ego and disappears for 5-6 games.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Too much Turkish ego and disappears for 5-6 games.

Cedi does seem to have a lot of games where he either gets on a roll or he disappears. I think JBB is getting better at recognizing earlier which it's going to be. I've seen Cedi play five minutes in the first half, do nothing, and not play the rest of the game. Other times he brings energy and scoring off the bench, is clearly playing with confidence, and JBB leaves him in.

 

[B Mac]

What about Cedi? He's shooting 48% overall, 40% on 3's, and leads the team in on/off at +17.5. You're playing him ahead of Stevens? The Cavs are -20.3 points per 100 possessions when he is on the floor - worst on the team.

This is a tough call but a really good problem to have, when and if we are fully healthy.

Starters

Garland
Mitchell
Wade
Mobley
Allen

First off the bench

Rubio
LeVert
Osman or Stevens
Love
Lopez

Unfortunately, one of Osman or Stevens will be getting cut out if we truly see this team fully healthy. It's likely a matchup dependent bench group as sometimes Love can be the 5 if we go small, which would let room for both Osman and Stevens to play at the same time. But, it's also a pretty rare situation when all 5 bench players are playing at once.

Neto, Okoro, Windler, Diakite, and IMobley are your deep 5, which honestly isn't that bad of a mop up crew either.

Deepest Cavs team we've had in a long time.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

NBA.com has some stats on team's benches. The Cavs' bench ranks 24th in offense, 1st in defense, and 2nd overall.

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The offensive rating should improve when Rubio gets back.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Here's what I do find interesting thus far. The "eye test" pretty much tells you the starting lineup has looked better with Stevens in it, primarily defensively.

Garland, Mitchell, Stevens, Mobley, Allen:
Min: 44
ORTG: 110.6.
DRTG: 116.1
Net: -5.5

Garland, Mitchell, LeVert, Mobley, Allen:
Min: 106
ORTG: 106.3
DRTG: 107.2
Net: -.9

Also, I still think Osman is better in a bench role, but this lineup is worth noting as well despite a very small sample size:

Garland, Mitchell, Cedi, Mobley, Allen:
Min: 11
ORTG: 110.7
DRTG: 69.9
Net: 41.1

Definitely want to see what the numbers look like with Wade at SF, but these numbers would seem to indicate maybe we shouldn't be so quick to write off the lineup with LeVert at SF when we've been 9 points better defensively with the original starting lineup vs what we're using right now.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Starting lineup needs a shooter. Simple as that.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

NBA.com also has "clutch" stats, which I assume are stats for "close and late" situations, although I can't find a definition.

The Cavs rank 13th in offense, 25th in defense, and 22nd overall in the clutch. Obviously this was heavily influenced by the awful performances at the end of several close games on the recent west coast trip, including the Kings' game.

The Kings rank 1st in clutch offense at 140 points per 100 possessions. The next closest team is at 126.

What is concerning is the Cavs rank 3rd defensively overall but 25th defensively in the clutch. Offensively they rank 6th overall so they are also underperforming in the clutch offensively, but not nearly as bad as on defense, where they drop from the third best defense to the sixth worst.

The coaching staff needs to look at those games and figure out why the defense totally imploded late with the game on the line.

By the way, the Cavs were in "clutch" situations in 11 of their 17 games for a total of 55 minutes. They are 6-5 in those games, so they are still winning slightly more than half, but better defense late would have improved that record. They could easily be 13-4 with better late game defense in a couple of those five losses.

 

[PIP]

Starting lineup needs a squirter. Simple as that.

Go on…

 

[Dr No]

This is a tough call but a really good problem to have, when and if we are fully healthy.

Starters

Garland
Mitchell
Wade
Mobley
Allen

First off the bench

Rubio
LeVert
Osman or Stevens
Love
Lopez

Unfortunately, one of Osman or Stevens will be getting cut out if we truly see this team fully healthy. It's likely a matchup dependent bench group as sometimes Love can be the 5 if we go small, which would let room for both Osman and Stevens to play at the same time. But, it's also a pretty rare situation when all 5 bench players are playing at once.

Neto, Okoro, Windler, Diakite, and IMobley are your deep 5, which honestly isn't that bad of a mop up crew either.

Deepest Cavs team we've had in a long time.

It is a deep team and with our recent injury history we need all the depth we can get. But you do pose an interesting question if we are blessed with good health - If Rubio comes back effective; and if Cedi, Wade, & Stevens keep playing at their current levels; and if LeVert plays to his normal level, how do we find minutes for everyone? Would JBB really go 10 deep on a regular rotation? If not, who's out? Even playing 10 would make Okoro the 11th man - would the organization really plant his butt that deep on the bench?

 

[Jscc]

Starting lineup needs a shooter. Simple as that.

Anyone playing SF needs to be abit of everything in the starting lineup:

1. Needs to be good at defending the perimeter for DG/Mitchell

2. decent at play-making with Mobley/JA

3. at least average at shooting 3s to space the floor for both front and back-courts

If you're playing someone at SF because they are a good shooter, it's not enough. The wings right now and which of the 3 they possess:

- Wade (1, 3)
- LeVert (1, 2, 3*)
- Stevens (1, 3*)
- Okoro (1*)
- Cedi (2, 3)

* questionable or lacking consistency.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

How did you decide

Anyone playing SF needs to be abit of everything in the starting lineup:

1. Needs to be good at defending the perimeter for DG/Mitchell

2. decent at play-making with Mobley/JA

3. at least average at shooting 3s to space the floor for both front and back-courts

If you're playing someone at SF because they are a good shooter, it's not enough. The wings right now and which of the 3 they possess:

- Wade (1, 3)
- LeVert (1, 2, 3*)
- Stevens (1, 3*)
- Okoro (1*)
- Cedi (2, 3)

* questionable or lacking consistency.

How did you decide who has "decent playmaking with Mobley/JA" and who doesn't?

And what about "decent playmaking" with Garland/Mitchell? Is that not important?

 

[Dr No]

Anyone playing SF needs to be abit of everything in the starting lineup:

1. Needs to be good at defending the perimeter for DG/Mitchell

2. decent at play-making with Mobley/JA

3. at least average at shooting 3s to space the floor for both front and back-courts

If you're playing someone at SF because they are a good shooter, it's not enough. The wings right now and which of the 3 they possess:

- Wade (1, 3)
- LeVert (1, 2, 3*)
- Stevens (1, 3*)
- Okoro (1*)
- Cedi (2, 3)

* questionable or lacking consistency.

I think #2 is more luxury than necessity. With Garland and Mitchell on the court there isn’t much playmaking need beyond them. In fact, I don’t think you’d want someone doing it often. Why would you take opportunities away from two of the best on the planet?

 

[Jscc]

I think #2 is more luxury than necessity. With Garland and Mitchell on the court there isn’t much playmaking need beyond them. In fact, I don’t think you’d want someone doing it often. Why would you take opportunities away from two of the best on the planet?

Well not if they play like this.

 

[Cavatt]

Defense is fantastic without Love