2022 Minor League Thread

[Gson]

Not saying I'm right, but I prefer Cantillo to Allen. Both are very good, young SP prospects, but I like Cantillo's ceiling which I see as higher.

Truth be told....

I don't prefer either guy.. and especially either guy as a starter.. That said..the physicality of Cantillo over Allen is easy to see... Cantillo, is a big strapping lad with bristling muscles and more projection than Allen.. without debate. Allen is a little guy..

Both of these guys.. in shorter stints could have their weapons play up:

-Allen: Fastball / Change up with precision control.. Think of Eli Morgan before he starting bringing his fastball velo in the mid 90's.. The Allen change up with the current FB is a pretty deadly weapon.. If he's able to add a few ticks.. even better..
-Cantillo has the same problem soooo many young pitchers have.. especially when their routine has been blown to hell and gone.. rustiness. In Cantillo's situation.. it's even worse.. He's barely pitched in the last three years.. Control and command with runners on will not be pretty with Cantillo right now.. He'll remain a starter (and should) until he's a bit more seasoned and/or traded..

Neither one of these guys say MOR or better starter.. and that's where I unofficially draw a line and or rank ANY prospect pitcher having a chance in the Guardians system.. If they're not going to be able to beat out McStix with stuff and command/control.. they're headed to the pen.. or for trade..

Thoughts?

 

[DickyLeftridge]

Truth be told....

I don't prefer either guy.. and especially either guy as a starter.. That said..the physicality of Cantillo over Allen is easy to see... Cantillo, is a big strapping lad with bristling muscles and more projection than Allen.. without debate. Allen is a little guy..

Both of these guys.. in shorter stints could have their weapons play up:

-Allen: Fastball / Change up with precision control.. Think of Eli Morgan before he starting bringing his fastball velo in the mid 90's.. The Allen change up with the current FB is a pretty deadly weapon.. If he's able to add a few ticks.. even better..
-Cantillo has the same problem soooo many young pitchers have.. especially when their routine has been blown to hell and gone.. rustiness. In Cantillo's situation.. it's even worse.. He's barely pitched in the last three years.. Control and command with runners on will not be pretty with Cantillo right now.. He'll remain a starter (and should) until he's a bit more seasoned and/or traded..

Neither one of these guys say MOR or better starter.. and that's where I unofficially draw a line and or rank ANY prospect pitcher having a chance in the Guardians system.. If they're not going to be able to beat out McStix with stuff and command/control.. they're headed to the pen.. or for trade..

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that none of this seems like something that is disagreeable. But my question is how you rate the rest of our high-potential starters within the org? I like the benchmark that you set of "MOR or better starter." That's what I would look at, particularly because our rotation is currently satiated with what appear to be MOR starters (BieGOAT being the one current exception). So who among

EspinGOAT
Williams
Bibee
Hankins
Curry
Gaddis
Burns
Morris
And any of the other 2021 draft picks

Do you see as MOR or better? It seems that the first two of my list would fall into that category. But any others? I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[Gson]

My thoughts are that none of this seems like something that is disagreeable. But my question is how you rate the rest of our high-potential starters within the org? I like the benchmark that you set of "MOR or better starter." That's what I would look at, particularly because our rotation is currently satiated with what appear to be MOR starters (BieGOAT being the one current exception). So who among

EspinGOAT
Williams
Bibee
Hankins
Curry
Gaddis
Burns
Morris
And any of the other 2021 draft picks

Do you see as MOR or better? It seems that the first two of my list would fall into that category. But any others? I appreciate your thoughts.

Three, maybe four or five....

Cody Morris has a fine four pitch mix now that he's developed a cutter to go with his other three pitches..

Add Carlos Vargas to this list.. He's got quite a bit of RP risk.. but has the stuff to become a MOR or better..

The 2021 draft has brought a bunch of developmental guys like Mace, Nikhazy, etc.. etc.. ones you've heard about.. but there are two guys that have a special "something" about them.. Starting with Franco Aleman.. big kid.. has a completely unrefined delivery and stuff.. He's raw.. but could become what the Guardians project.. The other is Jack Leftwich.. Typical Florida Gator.. tall.. thin.. really brings the heat.. has a nice "same tunnel" change up.. that pairs well with his downer/heavy fastball.. What I don't know is about his curve/slider/cutter.. I call them that because I'm not sure what it is that he does throw.. I can say that when he's on.. it's matches his downhill pitches of his FB/Ch.. but has late bite. There are TOO DAMN MANY TIMES that it hangs.. one of these three have to become his "go to" If he can harness it.. he'd be in the MOR or better group..

The others.. I don't know enough about to say.. but my interest is piqued by Tommy Ventimiglia..

 

[DickyLeftridge]

Three, maybe four or five....

Cody Morris has a fine four pitch mix now that he's developed a cutter to go with his other three pitches..

Add Carlos Vargas to this list.. He's got quite a bit of RP risk.. but has the stuff to become a MOR or better..

The 2021 draft has brought a bunch of developmental guys like Mace, Nikhazy, etc.. etc.. ones you've heard about.. but there are two guys that have a special "something" about them.. Starting with Franco Aleman.. big kid.. has a completely unrefined delivery and stuff.. He's raw.. but could become what the Guardians project.. The other is Jack Leftwich.. Typical Florida Gater.. tall.. thin.. really brings the heat.. has a nice "same tunnel" change up.. that pairs well with his downer/heavy fastball.. What I don't know is about his curve/slider/cutter.. I call them that because I'm not sure what it is that he does throw.. I can say that when he's on.. it's matches his downhill pitches of his FB/Ch.. but has late bite. There are TOO DAMN MANY TIMES that it hangs.. one of these three have to become his "go to" If he can harness it.. he'd be in the MOR or better group..

The others.. I don't know enough about to say..

Good stuff, but so I'm clear. Which of these guys do you see as MOR or better?

EspinGOAT
Williams
Bibee
Hankins
Curry
Gaddis
Burns

 

[Gson]

Good stuff, but so I'm clear. Which of these guys do you see as MOR or better?

EspinGOAT
Williams
Bibee
Hankins
Curry
Gaddis
Burns

There's NFW I can assure you being clear... lol..

These three are certainties:

espino
williams
hankins

The two others/maybe's are:
vargas
morris

Those are my four or five.. could be a couple more..

 

[Niklex316]

Current top prospects check-in:

1. RHP Daniel Espino (AA-DL): 1-0, 2.45 ERA, 18.1 IP, 9 H, 4 BB, 35 K, .141 BAA, 0.71 WHIP
2. OF George Valera (AA): 257 AB, .284, 14 2B, 3 3B, 13 HR, 49 RBI, 43 BB, 74 K, 2 SB, .389 OBP, .514 SLG, .903 OPS
3. RHP Gavin Williams (AA, Combined stats): 2-2, 1.48 ERA, 61.0 IP, 35 H, 22 BB, 86 K, .167 BAA, 0.93 WHIP
4. INF Gabriel Arias (AAA): 97 AB, .196, 5 2B, 0 3B, 3 HR, 12 RBI, 8 BB, 35 K, 4 SB, .282 OBP, .340 SLG, .622 OPS
5. INF Brayan Rocchio (AA): 232 AB, .241, 14 2B, 1 3B, 7 HR, 31 RBI, 30 BB, 48 K, 8 SB, .332 OBP, .401 SLG, .733 OPS
6. INF Tyler Freeman (AAA): 218 AB, .261, 7 2B, 0 3B, 4 HR, 34 RBI, 17 BB, 23 K, 3 SB, .359 OBP, .349 SLG, .708 OPS
7. 3B/OF Nolan Jones (AAA): 86 AB, .314, 6 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 25 RBI, 17 BB, 28 K, 4 SB, .423 OBP, .512 SLG, .935 OPS
8. LHP Logan C. Allen (AAA, Combined stats): 5-3, 3.91 ERA, 73.2 IP, 64 H, 23 BB, 106 K, .232 BAA, 1.18 WHIP
9. INF Jose Tena (AA): 255 AB, .263, 14 2B, 3 3B, 3 HR, 26 RBI, 11 BB, 74 K, 6 SB, .294 OBP, .376 SLG, .670 OPS
10. INF Angel Martinez (A+): 187 AB, .273, 11 2B, 3 3B, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 34 BB, 44 K, 8 SB, .396 OBP, .460 SLG, .856 OPS
11. RHP Tanner Burns (AA): 1-2, 2.75 ERA, 36.0 IP, 23 H, 18 BB, 46 K, .180 BAA, 1.14 WHIP
12. C Bryan Lavastida (AAA-DL): 129 AB, .225, 6 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 11 RBI, 14 BB, 29 K, 2 SB, .320 OBP, .372 SLG, .692 OPS
13. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel (AA - Combined stats): 253 AB, .229, 10 2B, 0 3B, 24 HR, 49 RBI, 23 BB, 85 K, 1 SB, .304 OBP, .553 SLG, .857 OPS
14. OF Petey Halpin (A+): 231 AB, .234, 9 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 19 RBI, 24 BB, 52 K, 11 SB, .315 OBP, .325 SLG, .640 OPS
15. C Bo Naylor (AAA - Combined stats): 213 AB, .282, 16 2B, 2 3B, 8 HR, 31 RBI, 54 BB, 56 K, 12 SB, .429 OBP, .488 SLG, .917 OPS
16. RHP Cody Morris (60-Day DL): No stats
17. SS Carson Tucker (A): 39 AB, .077, 1 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 11 BB, 19 K, 2 SB, .294 OBP, .103 SLG, .397 OPS
18. RHP Peyton Battenfield (AAA): 5-4, 3.08 ERA, 90.2 IP, 83 H, 28 BB, 61 K, .245 BAA, 1.22 WHIP
19. LHP Doug Nikhazy (A+): 2-4, 3.71 ERA, 53.1 IP, 38 H, 39 BB, 67 K, .203 BAA, 1.44 WHIP
20. RHP Tobias Myers (AAA - DFA): 1-9, 6.00 ERA, 60.0 IP, 73 H, 33 BB, 40 K, .296 BAA, 1.77 WHIP
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Others of note:
21. RHP Xzavion Curry (AAA - Combined stats): 6-3, 3.65 ERA, 74.0 IP, 61 H, 20 BB, 89 K, .220 BAA, 1.09 WHIP
28. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez (A+): 184 AB, .266, 10 2B, 1 3B, 7 HR, 23 RBI, 19 BB, 40 K, 2 SB, .341 OBP, .446 SLG, .787 OPS
29. OF Will Brennan (AAA - Combined stats): 279 AB, .344, 25 2B, 1 3B, 7 HR, 69 RBI, 37 BB, 39 K, 13 SB, .418 OBP, .516 SLG, .934 OPS
30. RHP Tanner Bibee (A+): 2-1, 2.59 ERA, 59.0 IP, 50 H, 13 BB, 86 K, .233 BAA, 1.07 WHIP

Top Prospects - Offensive Leaders

Batting Average
1. OF Will Brennan: .344
2. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: .314*
3. OF George Valera: .284
4. C Bo Naylor: .282
5. INF Angel Martinez: .273
6. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: .266
7. INF Jose Tena: .263
8. INF Tyler Freeman: .261
9. INF Brayan Rocchio: .241
10. OF Petey Halpin: .234
11. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: .229
12. C Bryan Lavastida: .225
13. INF Gabriel Arias: .196*
14. SS Carson Tucker: .077*

Doubles
1. OF Will Brennan: 25
2. C Bo Naylor: 16
3. OF George Valera: 14
3. INF Brayan Rocchio: 14
3. INF Jose Tena: 14
6. INF Angel Martinez: 11
7. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 10
7. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 10
9. OF Petey Halpin: 9
10. INF Tyler Freeman: 7
11. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 6*
11. C Bryan Lavastida: 6
13. INF Gabriel Arias: 5*
14. SS Carson Tucker: 1*

Home Runs
1. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 24
2. OF George Valera: 13
3. C Bo Naylor: 8
4. INF Bryan Rocchio: 7
4. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 7
4. OF Will Brennan: 7
7. INF Angel Martinez: 6
8. INF Tyler Freeman: 4
9. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 3*
9. INF Gabriel Arias: 3*
9. INF Jose Tena: 3
9. C Bryan Lavastida: 3
13. OF Petey Halpin: 2
14. SS Carson Tucker: 0*

Runs Batted In
1. OF Will Brennan: 69
2. OF George Valera: 49
2. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 49
4. INF Tyler Freeman: 34
5. INF Brayan Rocchio: 31
5. C Bo Naylor: 31
7. INF Jose Tena: 26
8. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 25*
9. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 23
10. INF Angel Martinez: 19
11. OF Petey Halpin: 19
12. INF Gabriel Arias: 12*
13. C Bryan Lavastida: 11
14. SS Carson Tucker: 2*

Walks
1. C Bo Naylor: 54
2. OF George Valera: 43
3. OF Will Brennan: 37
4. INF Angel Martinez: 34
5. INF Brayan Rocchio: 30
6. OF Petey Halpin: 24
7. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 23
8. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 19
9. INF Tyler Freeman: 17
9. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 17*
11. C Bryan Lavastida: 14
12. INF Jose Tena: 11
12. SS Carson Tucker: 11*
14. INF Gabriel Arias: 8*

Strikeouts
1. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 85
2. OF George Valera: 74
2. INF Jose Tena: 74
4. C Bo Naylor: 54
5. OF Petey Halpin: 52
6. INF Brayan Rocchio: 48
7. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 40
8. OF Will Brennan: 39
9. INF Gabriel Arias: 35*
10. INF Angel Martinez: 34
11. C Bryan Lavastida: 29
12. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 28*
13. INF Tyler Freeman: 23
14. SS Carson Tucker: 19*

Stolen Bases
1. OF Will Brennan: 13
2. C Bo Naylor: 12
3. OF Peter Halpin: 11
4. INF Brayan Rocchio: 8
4. INF Angel Martinez: 8
6. INF Jose Tena: 6
7. INF Gabriel Arias: 4*
7. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: 4*
9. INF Tyler Freeman: 3
10. OF George Valera: 2
10. C Bryan Lavastida: 2
10. SS Carson Tucker: 2*
10. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: 2
14. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: 1

OBP
1. C Bo Naylor: .429
2. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: .423*
3. OF Will Brennan: .418
4. INF Angel Martinez: .396
5. OF George Valera: .389
6. INF Tyler Freeman: .359
7. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: .341
8. INF Brayan Rocchio: .332
9. C Bryan Lavastida: .320
10. OF Petey Halpin: .315
11. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: .304
12. INF Jose Tena: .294
12. SS Carson Tucker: .294*
14. INF Gabriel Arias: .282*

SLG
1. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: .553
2. OF Will Brennan: .516
3. OF George Valera: .514
4. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: .512*
5. C Bo Naylor: .488
6. INF Angel Martinez: .460
7. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: .446
8. INF Brayan Rocchio: .401
9. INF Jose Tena: .376
10. C Bryan Lavastida: .372
11. INF Tyler Freeman: .349
12. INF Gabriel Arias: .340*
13. OF Petey Halpin: .325
14. SS Carson Tucker: .103*

OPS
1. 3B/OF Nolan Jones: .935*
2. OF Will Brennan: .934
3. C Bo Naylor: .917
4. OF George Valera: .903
5. 3B/1B Jhonkensy Noel: .857
6. INF Angel Martinez: .856
7. 3B/SS Gabriel Rodriguez: .787
8. INF Brayan Rocchio: .733
9. INF Tyler Freeman .703
10. C Bryan Lavastida: .692
11. INF Jose Tena: .670
12. OF Petey Halpin: .640
13. INF Gabriel Arias: .622*
14. SS Carson Tucker: .397*

Top Prospects - Pitching Leaders

Earned Run Average
1. RHP Gavin Williams: 1.48
2. RHP Daniel Espino: 2.45*
3. RHP Tanner Bibee: 2.59
4. RHP Tanner Burns: 2.75
5. RHP Peyton Battenfield: 3.08
6. RHP Xzavion Curry: 3.65
7. LHP Doug Nikhazy: 3.71
8. LHP Logan C. Allen: 3.91

Innings Pitched
1. RHP Peyton Battenfield: 90.2
2. RHP Xzavion Curry: 74.0
3. LHP Logan C. Allen: 73.2
4. RHP Gavin Williams: 61.0
5. RHP Tanner Bibee: 59.0
6. LHP Doug Nikhazy: 53.1
7. RHP Tanner Burns: 36.0
8. RHP Daniel Espino: 18.1*

Strikeouts
1. LHP Logan C. Allen: 106
2. RHP Xzavion Curry: 89
3. RHP Gavin Williams: 86
3. RHP Tanner Bibee: 86
5. LHP Doug Nikhazy: 67
6. RHP Peyton Battenfield: 61
7. RHP Tanner Burns: 46
8. RHP Daniel Espino: 35*

Walks Allowed
1. LHP Doug Nikhazy: 39
2. RHP Peyton Battenfield: 28
3. LHP Logan C. Allen: 23
4. RHP Gavin Williams: 22
5. RHP Xzavion Curry: 20
6. RHP Tanner Burns: 18
7. RHP Tanner Bibee: 13
8. RHP Daniel Espino: 4*

Batting Average Against
1. RHP Daniel Espino: .141*
2. RHP Gavin Williams: .167
3. RHP Tanner Burns: .180
4. LHP Doug Nikhazy: .203
5. RHP Xzavion Curry: .220
6. LHP Logan C. Allen: .232
7. RHP Tanner Bibee: .233
8. RHP Peyton Battenfield: .245

WHIP
1. RHP Daniel Espino: 0.71*
2. RHP Gavin Williams: 0.93
3. RHP Tanner Bibee: 1.07
4. RHP Xzavion Curry: 1.09
5. RHP Tanner Burns: 1.14
6. LHP Logan C. Allen: 1.18
7. RHP Peyton Battenfield: 1.22
8. LHP Doug Nikhazy: 1.44

Man that Carson Tucker pick looks like gold doesn’t it?

 

[Niklex316]

There's NFW I can assure you being clear... lol..

These three are certainties:

espino
williams
hankins

The two others/maybe's are:
vargas
morris

Those are my four or five.. could be a couple more..

Does Lenny Torres fall in this category? He hasn’t pitched lately and has been excused for personal reasons as he just lost his dad to lung cancer.

 

[DickyLeftridge]

There's NFW I can assure you being clear... lol..

These three are certainties:

espino
williams
hankins

The two others/maybe's are:
vargas
morris

Those are my four or five.. could be a couple more..

Good stuff. You still have faith (or maybe hope) in Hankins? He hasn't pitched in like 4 years. But man if you can add an electric arm like that to this already STAAAAAACKED org, look the fugg out.

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[DickyLeftridge]

I think JhonGOATNY Noel needs more hype. He has 25 HRs on the year and it is July 9. There's years when 25 HRs would damn near lead the org for the whole MiLB season. We've had some MASHERs before that I have supported in BradGOAT, OGOATz, and Will BensGOAT. But JhonGOATNY seems to out MASH them all. He's got to be on pace for what, 45+ HRs this year? That's unheard of in MiLB within this org.

K rate is at 30%. Not good. But within that MASH class, it's not worst in show. He's still (for a week) just 20 years old. And launching BOMBS in AA Akron.

Could we have our own home-grown FranGOAT Reyes? A MASHFEST who might only hit .230 or so but launches 35 BOMBS a year?

Thots?

 

[BimboColesHair]

ESPINO GAS
VALERA MASH
ROCCHIO FLASH
WILLIAMS GAS
FREEMAN SLAP

TEAM? TRASH.
KEYBOARD? CAPPED.

BUB!

 

[sportscoach]

Man that Carson Tucker pick looks like gold doesn’t it?

Tucker honestly has been hurt, so he gets a bit of a pass at the moment, but he has a ton to prove next season. Remember he was drafted out of high school so with the injuries and the pandemic, he has lost a bunch of time. He is still very young though, so hopefully this season he gets his feet wet and gets the basics of swimming down to improve on for next season. He's gonna have to start facing the sharks then.

 

[DickyLeftridge]

ESPINO GAS
VALERA MASH
ROCCHIO FLASH
WILLIAMS GAS
FREEMAN SLAP

TEAM? TRASH.
KEYBOARD? CAPPED.

BUB!

That's a big Texas-sized 10-4 there bub.

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Gson]

Does Lenny Torres fall in this category? He hasn’t pitched lately and has been excused for personal reasons as he just lost his dad to lung cancer.

first time I saw Lenny Torres pitch.. my mind went to some of the more famous "drop and drive" pitchers.. There have been very few of them lately.. Perhaps, sonny gray, is the most current..

Lenny Torres struck me as an RP from day one.. with his drop and drive motion and limited repertoire, as an RP, his stuff could play up.. as far as a high leverage, back of the pen RP.. Read: Closer. As an SP.. maybe not..

 

[Gson]

Man that Carson Tucker pick looks like gold doesn’t it?

The only thing that I can say affirmatively about Carson Tucker.. he's got to be better than Q-Holmes..

 

[MadThinker88]

HEADS UP!!!!

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