2022 Minor League Thread

[KluberSociety]

I know you didn't use the word, but when you talk about the absence of posts, it's a pretty reasonable leap.

There are tons of bad takes that don't get the same pushback that you saw with this take. What difference could there be for that?

I'm all in favor of using negative reinforcement when it's called for. Using derision to preface a confidently incorrect post is one such example.

You essentially straw manned in order to accuse me of straw manning.

To your last point I think there's a significant difference when you're the only one with the full answer key. But I think we can agree to disagree even in a more general sense.

 

[CDAV45]

It may be a bit charitable but IMO what we see here is someone making hypotheses and then overconfidently making arguments that are weaker than they appear on the surface. There's no ill will.

We are in a pro sports forum, lol. If we ONLY want the people with insider knowledge to be throwing out ideas and speculation, then where's the fun? I'd rather just wait for Guardians official press releases then and I love my Bimbo leaks too. After all things often aren't as they appear on the surface and some reality checks are great.

Yeah, you're being charitable. I've had this very conversation with CATS before and he was informed of Frazier and Zimmer's injuries, but I didn't go into Zimmer's injuries in depth. Frazier's I did. He even cited Adam Miller as a failed prospect without the proper context. The problem is it doesn't support his narrative so the details are either ignored or skewed. The basic idea that they are failed prospects that fit a certain numerical category is all he is trying to convey. Any further, more specific details as to why destroys his BS. That doesn't mean I think CATS should be silenced, but he should be corrected when spouting BS just as the rest of us should.

 

[DCTribefan]

I thought I would find some updates on our minor league clubs in this forum but I guess not. Just an extended argument on whether hot takes on a baseball forum can or should be criticized. Can’t we just move forward?

 

[Gson]

I thought I would find some updates on our minor league clubs in this forum but I guess not. Just an extended argument on whether hot takes on a baseball forum can or should be criticized. Can’t we just move forward?

El Paso and Reno are playing the PCL championship... no other games..

 

[KluberSociety]

Yeah, you're being charitable. I've had this very conversation with CATS before and he was informed of Frazier and Zimmer's injuries, but I didn't go into Zimmer's injuries in depth. Frazier's I did. He even cited Adam Miller as a failed prospect without the proper context. The problem is it doesn't support his narrative so the details are either ignored or skewed. The basic idea that they are failed prospects that fit a certain numerical category is all he is trying to convey. Any further, more specific details as to why destroys his BS. That doesn't mean I think CATS should be silenced, but he should be corrected when spouting BS just as the rest of us should.

Fair enough

 

[CDAV45]

I thought I would find some updates on our minor league clubs in this forum but I guess not. Just an extended argument on whether hot takes on a baseball forum can or should be criticized. Can’t we just move forward?

What kind of update do you want? They're done. How's that?

 

[DCTribefan]

What kind of update do you want? They're done. How's that?

What kind of update do you want? They're done. How's that?

A discussion of the players perhaps. Beats reading pages of internal bickering.

 

[CDAV45]

A discussion of the players perhaps. Beats reading pages of internal bickering.

Sure! No problem. Who do you want to discuss?

 

[CATS44]

I just want to circle back to this post. Missing a lot of context here Cats.

Zimmer: broke his left hand in September of his rookie season, had to change all of his hitting mechanics because he lost almost half of his range of motion with his left wrist and a lot of the feeling in his hand because of the injury. Never was the same after that injury offensively. Even now he struggles to grip a bat with his left hand. Flashed some loud tools his rookie season and never got to build off it.

Frazier: had an .806 OPS through his first 162 MLB games at the age of 24, then got concussed so bad he almost went blind. On top of almost going blind, it caused what I heard was similar symptoms to what someone with dementia experiences. Kid had days where he couldn't remember how he got to the ballpark.

Calling kids a failure when they had to deal with shit like that is ridiculous. Hope you realize that.

Lets recircle to things you fail to mention about Zimmer.

He struck out 30% of the time for two seasons across three levels BEFORE he broke his hand. To be more specific, he Kd 30% of the time for the 1000 PAs before the injury. His hitting mechanics before breaking his hand absolutely sucked

But I'm sure you know that....or should.

You just don't care much for criticism of prospects in this org who are not contact oriented.

 

[sportscoach]

Lets recircle to things you fail to mention about Zimmer.

He struck out 30% of the time for two seasons across three levels BEFORE he broke his hand. To be more specific, he Kd 30% of the time for the 1000 PAs before the injury. His hitting mechanics before breaking his hand absolutely sucked

But I'm sure you know that....or should.

You just don't care much for criticism of prospects in this org who are not contact oriented.

I didn't like that about Zimmer, but with plus defense, speed and power it was too soon to give up. If he doesn't mess up his hand, it's very possible you got a .240ish guy with 20+ HRs and 20+ SBs...

 

[Criznit]

I didn't like that about Zimmer, but with plus defense, speed and power it was too soon to give up. If he doesn't mess up his hand, it's very possible you got a .240ish guy with 20+ HRs and 20+ SBs...

He never panned out at the plate, just like a lot of prospects. I'm sure if given the chance to go back in time the Angels trade Adell.

But Zimmer is a quality glove, decent/good base runner etc. Which has pretty much kept him on a ML roster for 2022..

Not giving you a hard time Coach, just agreeing with you that given his complete toolbox, allowing him a ton of opportunity makes sense.

It's not a unique set of circumstances

 

[sportscoach]

A discussion of the players perhaps. Beats reading pages of internal bickering.

Sure! No problem. Who do you want to discuss?

I mean a recap of how players did wouldn't be to bad of an idea...

Guardians Top Prospects

The Official Site of Major League Baseball

www.mlb.com

Bibee jumped a ton up the list, hes gonna start seeing some recognition nationally... Will Brennan was likely the Minor league player of the season for Cleveland... Naylor started earning his 1st round draft status this season.

Logan Allen, struggled in the second half at AAA and Burns, Arias and Espino missed time cause of injury. Cantillo flashed greatness at AA until an injury. Lavastida didn't have a good 22... Let's see how he bounces back in 23. Noel showed his power, but not much else...

Jaison Chourio had a strong first season... Genao got his feet wet at 18 at low A and Jake Fox may see some AA starts at the end of next at age 20... Lampe was the first of the draft picks to get A ball time... Tolentino struggled once he hit high A...

 

[Lee]

I had a hand injury so I 100% get how Zimmer feels. I will never have complete use of my right index finger again

You really need to be careful whose ass you stick your finger up. What about Albert Belle made you think that would end well?

 

[sportscoach]

You really need to be careful whose ass you stick your finger up. What about Albert Belle made you think that would end well?

Man, I wish I messed it up doing something fun like that (we all know you are an expert in that lol). Naw, I smashed a glass bottle into my hand on accident putting its cap back on, and later I ruptured a tendon as well (rupturing a tendon with Elhers Danlos, is way worse than normal lol)

 

[BimboColesHair]

Lets recircle to things you fail to mention about Zimmer.

He struck out 30% of the time for two seasons across three levels BEFORE he broke his hand. To be more specific, he Kd 30% of the time for the 1000 PAs before the injury. His hitting mechanics before breaking his hand absolutely sucked

But I'm sure you know that....or should.

You just don't care much for criticism of prospects in this org who are not contact oriented.

No, I don’t mind criticizing players who strike out a lot at all.

And again, completely ignoring the point.

You guys have to stop obsessing over high K rate guys = high rate of failure guys. There are active studies about this, high K rate guys and low K rate guys hit and bust at almost virtually identical percentages over the last 20 years.

You guys are obsessing over 20-25% of a players PAs and completely ignoring what they are doing in the other 75-80% of them. Often times your margins for what you constitute as a “high strikeout rate batter” and a serviceable strikeout rate batter is all of 30 PAs.

And again. You are trying to argue that Zimmer failed at the MLB level because his K rate was too high in the minors.

That’s part of it. But completely ignoring all of the other litany of things that went against a kid and outright calling them failures is ridiculous. Be better.

Also. I’m glad some of you aren’t scouts. Woof.