2022 Minor League Thread

[DerekG123]

No stats to back this up but I do think the guys that usually play better than their rankings tend to be lower strikeout guys.

 

[Gson]

No stats to back this up but I do think the guys that usually play better than their rankings tend to be lower strikeout guys.

Guys who strike out a bunch.. guys who don't.. it's what they do with the other "non-strike out" AB's and defense that define who plays well.. For the MiLB season.. here are our guys:

https://guardiansbaseballinsider.co...-cleveland-guardians-2022-all-prospect-teams/

K rates in single digits to nearly a third of the time.. still define these guys are playing better..

Thoughts?

 

[Derek]

@CATS44 if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop calling Arias a 26% K guy. It’s disingenuous.

He hasn’t posted a season that high since 2018, and was down to 22.8% as the third youngest player (thanks Bimbo) in AAA during the 2021 campaign.

Post-AS break (when he got healthy this year), his K-rate is 19.9% as the fifth youngest guy in the league.

 

[DerekG123]

Is the K rate % done over AB or PA?

 

[Derek]

Is the K rate % done over AB or PA?

PA

 

[BimboColesHair]

@CATS44 if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop calling Arias a 26% K guy. It’s disingenuous.

He hasn’t posted a season that high since 2018, and was down to 22.8% as either the youngest or second youngest player (I forget which) in AAA during the 2021 campaign.

Post-AS break (when he got healthy this year), his K-rate is 19.9%.

He was the 3rd youngest in AAA until Franco was promoted mid-season last year.

He was the 5th youngest player in AAA this season.

 

[Derek]

He was the 3rd youngest in AAA until Franco was promoted mid-season last year.

He was the 5th youngest player in AAA this season.

I remembered someone getting promoted midseason and bumping him up a spot.

Thanks.

 

[Real Deal]

I was always high on Arias and Rocchio, even moreso than Andres before this season happened, obviously Andres took a leap and changed that, he's now a face of the organization.

But say Arias does keep his play together, and Rocchio comes along, what do we do with Arias, Rocchio, Andres? It's also wonderful they are RH, LH, and S.

 

[Lee]

@CATS44 if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop calling Arias a 26% K guy. It’s disingenuous.

He hasn’t posted a season that high since 2018, and was down to 22.8% as the third youngest player (thanks Bimbo) in AAA during the 2021 campaign.

Post-AS break (when he got healthy this year), his K-rate is 19.9% as the fifth youngest guy in the league.

Serious question, what is an acceptable K rate for a player with power like Arias?

 

[Lee]

I was always high on Arias and Rocchio, even moreso than Andres before this season happened, obviously Andres took a leap and changed that, he's now a face of the organization.

But say Arias does keep his play together, and Rocchio comes along, what do we do with Arias, Rocchio, Andres? It's also wonderful they are RH, LH, and S.

Arias, Rocchio, Andres...... Marry, Fuck, Kill? Go !

 

[petes999]

But say Arias does keep his play together, and Rocchio comes along, what do we do with Arias, Rocchio, Andres? It's also wonderful they are RH, LH, and S.

Celebrate that we finally see our farm system actually pay off. No one is complaining that we have Kwan and Oscar have successful rookie OF season with Brennan actually having a good start are we?

We have already seen the hint from the FO ... they wanted his bat anywhere in the line-up that they could ... 1B, LF, SS, 2nd, 3rd or where ever. Being a true athletic SS, he should be able to transition better than a fake SS in Rosario to where they need him (like Chang at 1B). If his bat continues to be 280 with some punch, they will find a place for him (even subbing Naylor at 1B with him instead of Miller). I am not losing any sleep over this scenario. Rather 1B play back a little next year with range into the hole a bit, even if it means our pitcher is covering 1B more to compensate for the lose of shift.

Worst case is he goes on the trade block for C or true 1B like we have tried a bit with Rosario. But, he has more value when teams see him transition into the MLB successful already. So invest that time now ....

 

[sportscoach]

Serious question, what is an acceptable K rate for a player with power like Arias?

Most on here wants 20 or below, but usually no more than about 25%...

 

[Derek]

Serious question, what is an acceptable K rate for a player with power like Arias?

I don’t think there’s an exact number, but Dansby Swanson trails only Lindor in fWAR for SS this year, and he has 25 HR and a 26.2% K-rate.

Willy Adames has been about a 5 WAR player with a 26.9% K-rate and 31 HR.

Looking at other positions, Eugenio Suarez was a highly productive bat this year for Seattle, worth over 4 WAR, and he struck out 31.2% of the time.

Now, I don’t think Arias will end up striking out as much as any of those guys, but we’ll see. There are many pathways to production.

 

[Lee]

I don’t think there’s an exact number, but Dansby Swanson trails only Lindor in fWAR for SS this year, and he has 25 HR and a 26.2% K-rate.

Willy Adames has been about a 5 WAR player with a 26.9% K-rate and 31 HR.

Looking at other positions, Eugenio Suarez was a highly productive bat this year for Seattle, worth over 4 WAR, and he struck out 31.2% of the time.

Now, I don’t think Arias will end up striking out as much as any of those guys, but we’ll see. There are many pathways to production.

That helps me understand, its an inverse factor...the greater the power, the greater acceptable K rate, lol

 

[Criznit]

That helps me understand, its an inverse factor...the greater the power, the greater acceptable K rate, lol

OPS is probably better than just power/SLG. A few of K machines also take more walks than their peers.