2022 Season - Week #2 - Jets @ Browns - 9/18 1pm CBS

[bs80]

Not everyone was playing the same play call sort of puts it on one or more players rather than the coach. Whatever he called it was only one play call. Somebody, or somebodies, screwed up. Maybe the play calls are too complicated or the terminology is too easy to misunderstand, but when a coach calls defense "X" and one or more defensive backs plays defense "Y" it's not the coach's fault.

I mean, if it happens once or twice, then yeah I can get on board with putting it on the players. But this shit happens regularly. At that point, the coaches are just as much to blame, if not more.

 

[daddywags]

Year 3 of this defensive scheme and we're having this much trouble with pre-snap communication? Like c'mon. This shit doesn't fly.

I just can't see why that's on the coach unless it's for repeated screw ups and not being benched. When a receiver runs a wrong route we put that on the receiver, not the coach or quarterback who called the correct route. Same goes for defensive backs. If you're supposed to cover this deep zone and instead you man cover a guy in the flat that's not the coach's fault.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I just can't see why that's on the coach unless it's for repeated screw ups and not being benched. When a receiver runs a wrong route we put that on the receiver, not the coach or quarterback who called the correct route. Same goes for defensive backs. If you're supposed to cover this deep zone and instead you man cover a guy in the flat that's not the coach's fault.

I get what you're saying but it's apples to oranges when comparing defense and offense.

 

[bs80]

Yeah I mean I'm coming full circle on the FIRE WOODS thing. It's gonna be the same thing no matter who they replace him with internally, so it's on Stefanski to tell Woods to play more man and send more pressure.

And the problem is, that isn't how Stefanski wants his defense to play.

Do we know for sure that Stefanski wants his defense to play a certain way though? Could it just be that he hired Woods because he believed in Joe to build an elite defense and is to a certain extent committed to it now, not necessarily being married to a specific scheme?

It doesn't seem like our defensive personnel is such that we need to continue with this same fucking scheme. I think KS is smart enough to know that the best thing for the team is to put the players in the best situation to succeed no matter what.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

Mitch Trubisky is one of the 3 worst starting QBs in the league.

They'll win that game if they just don't turn it over.

This week should have been a lay up as well. Don’t get too confident.

 

[CBBI]

I just can't see why that's on the coach unless it's for repeated screw ups and not being benched. When a receiver runs a wrong route we put that on the receiver, not the coach or quarterback who called the correct route. Same goes for defensive backs. If you're supposed to cover this deep zone and instead you man cover a guy in the flat that's not the coach's fault.

It's different because defense by nature is far more reactionary than offense.

Defense is very much a "if they do this, we do this it" operation which makes knowing your exact assignment far more critical.

 

[macbdog]

Wow. That was bad. And how we keep having breakdowns on defense is a Joe Woods problem.

Also, my 8 year old so just swore off the Browns. Spent the last 8 years getting him to cheer for ONE Cleveland team (live in MA) got there, and POOF.

(He’s going to say “I’ll see you next Sunday”, right? RIGHT?)

Yes but just because he loves you and probably pities you at this point. I don't even bother trying to indoctrinate mine for football.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Can’t stand this team.

Easy decision to skip another year.

How do I reinforce bathroom towel racks that keep separating from drywall?

This is the direction I see my Sundays going.

 

[Ohio]

I like this response better than Garrett's

Good for JJ3. That's a man's response.

 

[Ohio]

This week should have been a lay up as well. Don’t get too confident.

@Rich is a pessimistic Steelers fan.

We literally just lost to a worse QB than Trubisky.

I expect nothing different on Thursday.

 

[Rich]

@Rich is a pessimistic Steelers fan.

We literally just lost to a worse QB than Trubisky.

I expect nothing different on Thursday.

You did not.

I promise you did not.

Those open guys running down the field? Mitch won't throw to them.

Steelers won't Crack 17.

 

[CBBI]

Why do people keep thinking Delpit should be on the outside deep man?

Isn't this clearly Quarters coverage? Isn't that fourth deep zone clearly Denzel Ward's responsibility?

Ward saw Davis run by him towards the sidelines. My guess is he thought it was an out route, so he sat down underneath trying to bait an interception.

Except that's the stupidest thing you could do in quarters. With nobody behind you, it's a TD--especially with Delpit carrying inside leverage on the deep post.

Here's where I'm getting hung up.

Walker picks up 17 and then passes him off to Johnson. Johnson IMO is clearly is responsible for 17 and not 8 because he's immediately moves away from 8 at the snap and towards 17.

If that's correct, then what is Delpit actually doing? He's doubling Johnson's man?

Seems unlikely, at least to me, that the Browns would have both safeties responsible for slot guy 17? Especially with the Jets having a running clock and no timeouts? Theoretically, you'd want to aggressively defend the sidelines more than the middle?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Here's where I'm getting hung up.

Walker picks up 17 and then passes him off to Johnson. Johnson IMO is clearly is responsible for 17 and not 8 because he's immediately moves away from 8 at the snap and towards 17.

If that's correct, then what is Delpit actually doing? He's doubling Johnson's man?

Seems unlikely, at least to me, that the Browns would have both safeties responsible for slot guy 17? Especially with the Jets having a running clock and no timeouts? Theoretically, you'd want to aggressively defend the sidelines more than the middle?

So, you're familiar with what a quarters concept looks like--right? The deep part of the field is divided up into 4 zones (in the same way Cover 2 divides it up into 2 zones).

Sorry if that sounds condescending. That's not my intention. Not sure how else to word it.

It's hard to guess because of how badly Ward plays this, but I believe it's cover 4, with 23, 43, 22 and 21 playing the 4 deep zones, while 38, 5 and 28 are responsible for the underneath coverage. We rush 4 and drop 7.

I think that, counting from left to right (from the offense's POV) that Delpit is responsible for the third zone, while Ward is responsible for the fourth zone.

There are only 3 receivers reaching the second level. As #17 runs a deep post that crosses over into Delpit's zone, Delpit correctly carries him with underneath leverage. There is nothing else for JJ3 to do, so that receiver gets double-teamed.

If JJ3 drops off of that man, it's a potential TD over the top for a good receiver/QB duo. I'm not sure Delpit has the speed to close on NFL receivers if he lets them get over top of him.

But that's all besides the point--because Denzel Ward just sits down in an empty zone and leaves Corey Davis wide open. Either Ward got the play wrong, or he assumed Davis ran an out route and is sitting right behind him--and Ward could bait Flacco into an interception by playing underneath.

 

[CBBI]

Maybe Ward isn't supposed to release anyone and he's totally in the wrong, but if that is the case it sure seems like Delpit is still in no man's land.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Maybe Ward isn't supposed to release anyone and he's totally in the wrong, but if that is the case it sure seems like Delpit is still in no man's land.

Even in Cover 4, Delpit needs to commit to the deep route that broke open more quickly. Last year, he played a little strong safety and a lot of nickel. He is learning free safety, and it shows both last week and this one.