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2023-2024 Playoffs: March Toward _______?

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Cavs season ends

  • In the first round

    Votes: 22 28.2%
  • In the second round

    Votes: 42 53.8%
  • In the Eastern conference finals

    Votes: 7 9.0%
  • In the NBA finals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • With Parade #2

    Votes: 7 9.0%

  • Total voters
    78
  • Poll closed .
Funny how people turning the team not selling out the first game into a JB is the reason…… Just be honest with yourself, your broke ass can’t afford to go to the game anyway, plus it’s the fucking Magics, LMAO…….

FYI we’re one of the few Teams that sold out every game this year…..
 
Not spending a dime until jb is gone personally. I spent a lot of money watching obnoxiously bad basketball this year.

Hope the cavs figure it out
You're in Cleveland?
 
Funny how people turning the team not selling out the first game into a JB is the reason…… Just be honest with yourself, your broke ass can’t afford to go to the game anyway, plus it’s the fucking Magics, LMAO…….

FYI we’re one of the few Teams that sold out every game this year…..
I would be willing to bet that the game will be sold out, and I never bet on anything.
 
Butler being out coupled with Boston vs Philly (likely) in the first round, Giannis down, Randle out, and Orlando being our first round matchup... that's opportunity knocking in the east.
So many injuries. NY, Milwaukee, Miami, Chicago all with significant injuries. Plus Donovan & Embiid recently coming back and neither is likely to be 100%. It really has opened up nicely for Boston. They were already the best team and now many of their challengers are less than full strength.
 
So many injuries. NY, Milwaukee, Miami, Chicago all with significant injuries. Plus Donovan & Embiid recently coming back and neither is likely to be 100%. It really has opened up nicely for Boston. They were already the best team and now many of their challengers are less than full strength.
Yeah, Embiid does not look 100% but he did knock down a couple of big 3's. He was 6-for-17 against Miami. Bam Adebayo and Kevin Love were defending him. He hauled in 15 rebounds, got 5 assists, and was 9-for-10 on 3's, however. Miami's zone may have been a factor.

The Sixers have a great won-loss record when both he and Maxey play (I forget the numbers), so the New York/Philly series should be fun. Lots of banging.

Jimmy Butler was 5-for-18 last night was was hobbling around after somebody fell on his leg. If Miami beats the Bulls and move on to play Boston I don't know how competitive they will be if Butler is less than 100%.

Boston has been very lucky with injuries as their main competitors in the East (Milwaukee, New York, Philly) have all been hit hard while the Celtics have been unscathed. Now they get either Miami with Butler banged up or Chicago without Lonzo Ball, LaVine, and Patrick Williams - three starters.

But if the Cavs get by Orlando the Celtics will face a team at full strength if Wade is back by then, or mostly full strength if not. And the Cavs played them close all three games this year despite missing key players with injuries.
 
Just to let everyone know, playoff tickets are ridiculously cheap. There are pairs of seats tickets available for as low as $33. I just got a pair high up but center court for $46. Obviously, that's the price per ticket. I'm just pointing out the "pair" so that people know they're not just isolated single seats available at that price.
 
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Cavs/Laker tickets were so fucking expensive. Its cheaper to fly to Cleveland. Now if only Hopkins wasnt such a piece of shit.
 
Playoff predictions for Orlando series:
Game 1: 52% chance of victory 111-101 Cavs

Game 2: If Game 1 lost, Game 2 chance of victory 50% 112-109 Cavs
If Game 1 won, Game 2 chance of victory 55% 117-110

Game 3: If 1-1, chance of victory 48% Cavs 109-104
If 2-0, chance of victory 51% Cavs 115-110
If 0-2, chance of victory 44% Cavs 108-101

Game 4: If 2-1, chance of victory 50% Cavs 113-106
If 1-2, chance of victory 45%, Cavs 114--111
If 3-0, chance of victory 54% Cavs 119-106
If 0-3, chance of victory 40%, Cavs 111-109

Game 5, If 3-1, chance of victory 56%, Cavs 120-111
If 2-2, chance of victory 52%, Cavs 113-107
If 1-3, chance of victory 48%, Cavs 112-108

Game 6, If 3-2 chance of victory 49%, Cavs 119-116
If 2-3 chance of victory 43%, Cavs 112-109

Game 7, 53% chance of victory 119-114
I couldn't help but multiply this out for all possible series outcomes:

Cavs 4-0 7.88%
Magic 4-0 8.06%

Cavs 4-1 14.05%
Magic 4-1 12.87%

Cavs 4-2 14.13%
Magic 4-2 16.13%

Cavs 4-3 14.4%
Magic 4-3 12.77%

Cavs series victory: 50.46%
Magic series victory 49.83%

This predicts a long series, with the Cavs most likely winning in the end.

I don't know if I agree with my own predictions!
 
Defensive rebounding differential - Cavs were +12 in four games. Not much of a difference.

Offensive rebounding - Cavs were +7. No significant difference. In fact, the game where the Cavs got an astonishing 18 offensive boards they only scored 94 points and lost. When you can't hit water from the boat nothing else matters.

Free throws - Cavs made 77, Orlando 82. No significant difference. The Cavs made 15 more free throws in the two games they lost than in the two they won.

Points in the paint - Cavs were -14 in four games which is less than four points per game.

Three-point differential - Cavs were +36 (win), +6 (loss), +27 (win) and -12 (loss). Pretty obvious. In their two wins they were +63 and in the two losses -6.

The Cavs shot 39.6% and the Magic 33.0% on 3's in the four games.
 
Excellent article:


The Donovan Mitchell era with the Cleveland Cavaliers has been a weird one. It has both been hugely successful but also disjointed and uncertain. Over the two regular seasons he has spent with the Cavaliers, Cleveland has averaged 50 wins and has secured the fourth seed in the East each time, but they flamed out badly in five games against the New York Knicks in last year's first round.

After an odd season full of injuries, where they experienced a stretch as the best team in the league but also a rocky end to the year, Cleveland is now faced with a must-win first-round series against the Orlando Magic. With Mitchell's public indifference towards a contract extension in Cleveland, off-season trade rumors have intensified.

With Mitchell having a player option for the 2025-26 season, next year is the last that Cleveland has him under team control. This means the Cavaliers should secure a long-term extension with Mitchell this off-season or begin to listen to trade offers. They could bring him back to camp for the 2025 season, but Cleveland would risk losing him for nothing in free agency.

The Cavaliers must prove Mitchell is worth keeping around by going on a deep playoff run this spring, or Cleveland will start asking themselves whether the Garland/Mitchell backcourt is destined for success. Additionally, Mitchell seems all but gone from Ohio if given the chance, and an early postseason exit would seal the deal.

From a roster-building perspective, it seems unlikely that a team maximizes their playoff potential by pairing two small, shot-creating guards together. The issues the pairing creates in the playoffs are twofold: firstly, playoff defense is all about minimizing the number of exploitable defenders on the floor, and this backcourt gives opponents two entry points to attack in mismatches. Secondly, each player is at their best when they have the ball in their hands, not splitting time off the ball. This dynamic has hurt the development of Garland in particular as second fiddle.

This phenomenon is clear in the lineup data as well. Of Cleveland's seven best lineup combinations (min. at least 50 minutes played), only one of them has Mitchell and Garland on the floor, despite being the two players with the most minutes played on the team.


Cavaliers' Best Lineups


Lineup. Minutes Played. NRTG


Mitchell/Allen/LeVert/Strus/Wade 55. +34.8

Garland/Mobley/LeVert/Niang/Okoro 118. +23.1

Mitchell/Allen/LeVert/Niang/Okoro 57. +22.8

Mitchell/Garland/Allen/Strus/Wade 55. +19.8

Mitchell/Wade/Allen/Strus/Okoro 232. +19.6

Garland/Mobley/Allen/Strus/Okoro 62. +8.2

Mitchell/Allen/LeVert/Strus/Okoro 94. +1.5

Cleveland's healthy starting five is extremely talented and appears to be one of the better lineups in the NBA. However, they have performed very average on the floor and had no answers for New York in their first-round loss last year. Adding Max Strus as a knockdown shooter who is a capable defender was supposed to solve their biggest structural issue against the Knicks: they had players who could defend and players who could shoot, but none who could do both.

The lineup of Mitchell, Garland, Strus, Mobley, and Allen is Cleveland's most-played group by a significant margin, (368 minutes played) and they have been extremely mediocre (+1.4 NRTG). This set of five players has multiple debilitating structural issues, especially come playoff time.

Cavaliers Starting Five
LineupORTGDRTGNRTG
Mitchell/Garland/Strus/Mobley/Allen112.7111.3+1.4

The aforementioned defensive weakness of the Mitchell/Garland backcourt makes Mobley and Allen absolutely essential for rim protection, as opposing stars can easily target one of the guards and draw double teams that get the defense in rotation. Unfortunately for Cleveland, having two non-shooting bigs on the floor allows the opponent to provide tons of help in the paint and guard Mitchell or Garland with much more attention.

Their offense and defense with this lineup have been league-average, whereas subbing one of the guards and one of the bigs for Okoro, Wade, Niang, or LeVert has at least given them an advantage on one side of the ball. Most of Cleveland's best lineups feature one star guard and only one of Mobley or Allen

Donovan Mitchell has said recently that he wants to reach the Conference Finals for the first time in his career and ultimately play in the NBA Finals. As a 50-win team for the past two seasons, Cleveland should expect nothing less than a deep playoff run but may be headed for massive changes upon an early exit.

The Cavaliers are significant favorites against Orlando and have home-court advantage, but the mighty Boston Celtics are waiting in the second round. Unless the Celtics suffer a shocking upset at the hands of the Miami Heat or Chicago Bulls, Cleveland should be going home short of the Conference Finals again.

Cavaliers' Mediocrity
CategoryStatLeague Rank
NRTG+2.512th
ORTG114.716th
DRTG112.27th
REB%50.1%15th
If Cleveland is outclassed by Boston or slips against Orlando, Cavs fans can expect a roster transformation going into next season. At a minimum, the Cavaliers should trade one of their guards and give the keys to the other, while bringing in a defensive-minded shooting guard who can play off the ball. This would likely be Darius Garland, as Mitchell has made it clear he wishes to be elsewhere. The additional assets and money opened up from Mitchell would allow Cleveland to fill out their rotation with better-fitting players.

Additionally, one of Mobley or Allen could be on their way out upon a playoff flameout. In the modern NBA, it is hard to score efficiently in the postseason when teams can gameplan against two non-shooting big men who ruin the floor spacing. It is simply too difficult for Mitchell or Garland to play 3-on-5 basketball against rim protectors in the paint.

If the Cavaliers fail to stun the world with a deep playoff run, this could be their last chance with this group.
 
There are a ton of tickets available for the game. What happened to Cleveland as a sports town? It’s pretty pathetic
I can only imagine the emotions that made me not watch many games this season, were shared by a lot of the fans.

It’s ok to lose a playoff series. We’ve done it plenty times.

But to come out and let the Knicks treat you like bitches…..that stung.


I do feel slightly better tho seeing as the Knicks are really good this year. It’s just annoying how they lost that series. Went out like hoes
 

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