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2023-24 Regular Season Thread II: March Toward Destiny

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Okoro is a great defender and his mediocre offense is on the up and up. Thybulle is an excellent defender with bad offense. Okoro is younger.

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I'm a big Okoro stan, though my faith was faltering until recently, and despite this substantial improvement he is still quite limited offensively including finishing. But once it all clicks a little more he's gonna be solid.

Also...every single year Okoro performs SUBSTANTIALLY better in the second half of the season. Remember to not get down on him at the beginning of seasons. This is his norm.

And I wouldn't break the bank on Okoro, I hope we don't overpay, even 20 seems a bit steep but idk what his comps are other than Hart
 
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NBA players are overpaid. 20-25 million is Okoro's net worth. If he has another step up after this year, Garland money. Mitchell will get 55-60 million.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
I’ve been pretty critical of Garland’s play this year. Much of it revolves around potentially not being a great fit with Mitchell. There’s a lot of things he could do better, but he is still young and should continue to improve as a player. If he simply would stop being so careless with the ball late in games and push the pace more, that’d stop a majority of the people that have been critical of his game. The only reason I’m inclined to trade him is because of the long-term fit with Mitchell, but if Mitchell isn’t here long term then that doesn’t matter.

All that being said, ignoring the fact the Cavs have never been a player in FA at any amount of money, it’s pretty rare that max-level guard hits FA. They are typically retained by their current team or traded before FA. VanVleet got paid $40M/yr this year, and while he’s a good player, the Rockets had to pretty significantly overpay him. If Garland was a FA this offseason, someone would almost certainly pay him more than the $40M/yr FVV got if they could.

I like Okoro, but if you were to tell me he was getting $20M, it’d be a lot easier to replace what Okoro does with like a $15M guy and a $5M guy. I don’t think Okoro is worth $20M/yr to this team as constructed even if the Cavs move on from LeVert. If Mitchell were to be traded for an SF that can shoot, maybe you can convince me that Okoro can start at SG, but that presents other issues.

Basically, I think Okoro can’t be paid any more than what Strus and LeVert are making. If he gets offered more or is asking for more, I’m looking to S&T him for a front court rotation guy.

I’d explore trading Garland if the Cavs get a commitment from Mitchell. Otherwise, I wouldn’t unless they can get a similarly paid (or cheaper) SF, of similar age and ability at the position, who has multiple years left on his deal. If Mitchell doesn’t commit, they might be in a holding pattern for a year or they are trading Mitchell.
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Fair enough. I did say $20M for Okoro, but I am hoping it is more in the $15M/year range. And I should have mentioned the lack of fit with Mitchell, because that is a big part of it, too. I used to love Garland, but this year, starting with how the team played during his absence, I have gradually changed how I feel about him.
 
This is going to sound like a negative take but hear me out. If we finish 6th we avoid Boston in the 2nd. Face either Orlando or NY. Orlando we can take and if we lose to the Knicks again changes will be made 4 the better
 
6th seed also lets our dudes rest/heal and then by using our depth in the process we can evaluate 4 the future
 
redruM said:
6th seed also lets our dudes rest/heal and then by using our depth in the process we can evaluate 4 the future
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JBB would not let that happen because he wants to pad his wins for job security / future employment
 
Here are some good plays we ran, a couple of injuries ago.

 
Pierre Pan said:
For tomorrow’s game, Rudy Gobert (ribs), Anthony Edwards (dislocated finger) and Naz Reid (concussion protocol) are all questionable
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Unfortunately they all showed up and showed out. :(
 
Kouki said:
Okoro is a great defender and his mediocre offense is on the up and up. Thybulle is an excellent defender with bad offense. Okoro is younger.

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I'm a big Okoro stan, though my faith was faltering until recently, and despite this substantial improvement he is still quite limited offensively including finishing. But once it all clicks a little more he's gonna be solid.

Also...every single year Okoro performs SUBSTANTIALLY better in the second half of the season. Remember to not get down on him at the beginning of seasons. This is his norm.

And I wouldn't break the bank on Okoro, I hope we don't overpay, even 20 seems a bit steep but idk what his comps are other than Hart
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We're in the second half of the year and Okoro has scored 12 points over the last 2 games. No player has been hurt more by Mobley and Wade getting injured at the same time than Okoro. Half his points come off of run outs which you need a stop followed by a defensive ebound to accomplish..That said, a lot of poor offensive players pad their scoring by leaking out and getting easy buckets. As a starter, his half court game looks as brutal as ever. He has to have a good postseason in order to get paid.
 
Kouki said:
Okoro is a great defender and his mediocre offense is on the up and up. Thybulle is an excellent defender with bad offense. Okoro is younger.

?

I'm a big Okoro stan, though my faith was faltering until recently, and despite this substantial improvement he is still quite limited offensively including finishing. But once it all clicks a little more he's gonna be solid.

Also...every single year Okoro performs SUBSTANTIALLY better in the second half of the season. Remember to not get down on him at the beginning of seasons. This is his norm.

And I wouldn't break the bank on Okoro, I hope we don't overpay, even 20 seems a bit steep but idk what his comps are other than Hart
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What I question is if Okoro's offense will stand up to playoff defenses. NBA teams put more effort into their defensive plans in the playoffs and players will put more effort in on the court. I just wonder how his offense will look with those changes and how playable he will actually be. He only played 15 minutes per game in the playoffs last year and that was without Strus on the team.
 
Okoro will struggle in the playoffs, teams will leave him wide open on the 3PL and I have no faith he will make them pay
 
We should trade okoro and a first for Doug McDermott
 
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