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2023-24 Regular Season Thread II: March Toward Destiny
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shoes22
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The "trade one of Garland/Mitchell and Mobley/Allen" take is still wrong. I think it would be a big mistake to do so.
Garland and Mitchell would work out great if Mitchell becomes the lead ball handler and Garland plays more off ball. That would lead to both team and individual success. Garland has elite shooting talent, and is still a really good playmaker, even if he hasn't shown it as regularly lately.
Allen is one of the top 10 starting centers in the league, and has been our second best player all season.
Mobley also is able to do things on the court that nobody else can do.
Mobley and Allen played really well together last night, and their games are so different. I've seen a lot of potential from Mobley these last 2 games since he's back.
Assuming Mitchell re-signs, of the 4 players, the one I'd at least listen to offers for is Garland. But I don't think it's necessary to move him, and the other 3 I think would be idiotic to even consider trading at all.
Garland and Mitchell would work out great if Mitchell becomes the lead ball handler and Garland plays more off ball. That would lead to both team and individual success. Garland has elite shooting talent, and is still a really good playmaker, even if he hasn't shown it as regularly lately.
Allen is one of the top 10 starting centers in the league, and has been our second best player all season.
Mobley also is able to do things on the court that nobody else can do.
Mobley and Allen played really well together last night, and their games are so different. I've seen a lot of potential from Mobley these last 2 games since he's back.
Assuming Mitchell re-signs, of the 4 players, the one I'd at least listen to offers for is Garland. But I don't think it's necessary to move him, and the other 3 I think would be idiotic to even consider trading at all.
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They've played how many games together, and is this actually happening? Also, Garland is a great shooter. but he provides nothing else as an off-ball SG. Really, his skillset is nerfed being off-ball. He's a true PG at heart.
The issue is skill-set redundancy. The team performed better when one of them was missing.
Two game sample size. One of which was against one of the worst teams in the league.
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On Frobley we have several seasons sample size they are an excellent fit on defense. Trading either without a legit top 10 guy coming back is a lazy take
I think all 4 are really good players. I wouldn’t be in a hurry to trade any of them. That said, I think there are, and always will be, fit issues. These 4 don’t naturally compliment one another. And when 3 of the 4 are going to be making huge salaries, that matters. If I were Koby, I’d be on the lookout for a team willing to overpay for one of them. None of these guys is untouchable to me. But I’m not sending any of them away on the cheap.
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It’s not about defense. It’s about offense and maximizing 5 players on the court.
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It's pretty matchup dependent in the playoffs. Mobley is a great option against the Celtics and Bucks as he can guard Giannis and Tatum. There are matchups where it might be worth playing Wade more in order to open up the floor a bit. Mitchell/Garland as lead ball handler should be dictated by the opponent. If Derick White is assigned to Mitchell, and a 33-year old Jrue Holiday is assigned to Garland, I'm probably tasking Garland with lead ball handler duties.
One concern I have about the current coaching staff is the ability to have a plan B in place BEFORE the opposing team has taken plan A away. There's a certain amount of flexibility you have to have so that you're not scrambling when good defensive teams anticipate what you want to do and sell out to stop it.
This team is bad at making the opposition pay for doubling the lead ball handler. I don't know that I've ever seen us force a good opponent stop doubling Garland or Mitchell by getting easy buckets. We're bad at breaking press defenses. We're bad at making teams pay for tilting too strongly towards Mitchell or Garland. We're meh against the zone. All of that has to stop. What works in the wine and gold scrimmages won't work unless you're duplicating the other team's tendencies.
Also, you're going to have to be able to successfully execute in the half court setting during the playoffs. Pushing the pace only works in the post season when it's employed opportunistically. The list of teams who lived off of pushing the pace in the regular season and went home early because they couldn't execute in the half court is really, really long.
One concern I have about the current coaching staff is the ability to have a plan B in place BEFORE the opposing team has taken plan A away. There's a certain amount of flexibility you have to have so that you're not scrambling when good defensive teams anticipate what you want to do and sell out to stop it.
This team is bad at making the opposition pay for doubling the lead ball handler. I don't know that I've ever seen us force a good opponent stop doubling Garland or Mitchell by getting easy buckets. We're bad at breaking press defenses. We're bad at making teams pay for tilting too strongly towards Mitchell or Garland. We're meh against the zone. All of that has to stop. What works in the wine and gold scrimmages won't work unless you're duplicating the other team's tendencies.
Also, you're going to have to be able to successfully execute in the half court setting during the playoffs. Pushing the pace only works in the post season when it's employed opportunistically. The list of teams who lived off of pushing the pace in the regular season and went home early because they couldn't execute in the half court is really, really long.
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Cam be done with this pair and a smarter offense easily.
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hasn't happened yet.
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The Mitchell/Garland pairing has worked and does work when looking at the stats and metrics.
Allen Mobley is a bit less dynamic, but my fear is giving up on Mobley too early. Look at how Okoro's shooting improved this year and still will improve as he is still so young. If Mobley has a year 4 jump like Okoro and starts taking 3 or 4 shots a game and hitting around 38%, it opens things up. Defensively, Mobley and Allen do work.
My other idea would be seeing if Mobley's ego could handle going to the bench, It really makes the touches easier and both can still play around 30 mins a game if one starts, one on the bench and play together 8 mins a half or so.
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Doesn't mean it can't. With your plan we will never find out
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Better to be too early, than it is to be too late. The core 4 will not make it out of the second round. It’s time to pivot.
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I disagree. We are a conference finals level team by talent but just need to move around some supporting pieces, get more seasoning, and upgrade the chef