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2023-24 Season | Game #6 | Cavs @ Pacers | Nov. 3, 2023 | 7:00 p.m.

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DCTribefan said:
He was fouled by Turner, not stuffed. Watch the replay and Turner laying his body into Mobley.
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foucault87 said:
I think you are expecting what year 5-6 Mobley will be doing in year 3. Of course he isnt going to be meeting your expectations because they are not projective of the reality on the floor.

Mobley is the 3rd, maybe 4th option in the starting lineup. He simply will not get enough touches to average 20 ppg if everyone is healthy. How many teams in the last 20 years have had 3-4 guys at 20 ppg+? The only ones I can think of are the Heatles, KD Warriors, and randomly that one Warriors team with Baron, Jrich and SJax. That is in fact, an unrealistic standard.

I am very encouraged by his passing vision. He has hit 5 assists 3x already this year and led the team in assists twice this season.

As for your other two numerical standards, Mobley is in fact averaging 11.0 rebounds and 2.2 blocks going into tonight. And he hit your thresholds. So clearly, that is not an issue.

As for the outside threat, I think this rolls back to the point about touches. He is not going to be given a lot of perimeter touches given the construction of this team's roster. That is totally fine. If he was on some garbage team like Detroit, I am sure he would be putting up 22-12s every night as they head to a 35 win season. But, we are a playoff caliber team and thats not what we are asking him to be. That is fine. If he shows flashes of the perimeter stuff this year, that's what we need. Now if it is 2028 and we are still having this discussion, then there are issues.

I do not think this has been a failure of a campaign so far. He has had a major impact in almost every game so far. The first NYK game was terrible, I will give you that. But his defensive impact remains outsized for a player of his age and experience. I know you seem to think the defensive side of the ball doesn't matter, but the fact is he is a top 10 if not top 5 defensive player in the league. That has a ton of value even if he isnt threatening to lead the league in scoring.
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Ok. That’s a solid analysis. I’m too tired to keep roasting Mobley..bedtime. Go Cavs.
 
Yea, someone will have to check but the NBA does mandate two TV timeouts per quarter, and if no timeouts have been taken they will be charged to each team respectively. The first one of the quarter to the home team, and the 2nd to the road team (again, this is if no TOs have been taken prior to these timing thresholds. If they have, then it is just a "TV" timeout and neither team gets charged for the stoppage, unless I'm reading it wrong).


I'm not gonna go back through and figure out if it was TV timeout time there and if the Cavs were gonna be charged with it or not.

EDIT: Nm. A dead ball situation does NOT include an out of bounds turnover. I think.
 
Did we have a stretch where Niang played an entire quarter? Offensively he was great but he gets cooked by these long, young, quick teams.
 
foucault87 said:
Frustrating loss for sure. Poor time out management and a few dumb turnovers cost us in the fourth. To try to inject some positivity in here:

I really liked what I saw from Mobley tonight. The DPOY level defense was back today, more than it really had been so far this season. Couple possessions here and there where I felt he took his foot of the gas, but so many time a guard ran at the rim, ran into Mobley and immediately turned it around. On offense, I like the willingness to shoot the 3. His form looks much cleaner than before, even if we haven't really seen the results yet. Overall I felt his touch was better today than it had been the past few games. I wonder if having to play the 5 on D just cost so much energy, it effected his shot making? Great passing as usual

Levert again doing a solid job off the bench. 6th man is really the best role for him. Mightve been able to grab another game in the playoffs last year if we kept him in that position. His defense is solid as the PoA guy and he is a very solid secondary playmaker.

Mitchell had a few hero ball moments I did not love, but he was great as usual. Really kept us afloat in the first half and broke a few runs in the second. Showed some of the secondary playmaking too.

Strus continues to impress me with his all around game. He is without a doubt the most well rounded wing not named Caris we have had since a certain Kid from Akron. His drive game is solid, smart cutter. Much better defender than I thought. Puts in effort on the glass. Really love the pickup.

I thought Okoro was very solid today too. Great defense as usual. Less scoring than when he was a starter, but he didn't vanish. Felt he was doing a good job with connective passing and moving the ball. This is what you like to see from him coming off the bench.

Lastly, despite the rough patches at the end, it was great to see Allen and Garland back. I thought Allen looked very good. Just aggressive at the rim, strong rebounding, and did a great job defensively out on the perimeter. Foul trouble was unfortunate but you can tell how much we really missed him, as we are reminded every time he is injured. Garland had some nice runs in the middle there. I thought his shot selection was a bit iffy and the TO has been covered ad naseum. He seemed a bit slower than usual in the first quarter, but bounced back as the game went on. Hopefully he is back to 100% again soon.
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I agree with all of this.

If anything, I was frustrated that Okoro didn't see the floor in the same strategic manner that they deployed against the Knicks. Whenever Buddy Hield is out there, I wanted to see Okoro. He gets free too much.

it's hard to win when you can't shoot, you play lackadaisical defense (in the first half) -- Cavs gave up 70 in the 1st half... and what ....51 in the 2nd? Outscored them about 2 to 1 in the third and couldn't finish it.

I also recognize that it was clear they were being mindful of JA's minutes, and DG....was more reminiscent of how he was when he came back from an 8-game absence. His shot was completely off on good looks, and as you said, eventually put together a good string of offense.
 
Dr. Claw said:
I agree with all of this.

If anything, I was frustrated that Okoro didn't see the floor in the same strategic manner that they deployed against the Knicks. Whenever Buddy Hield is out there, I wanted to see Okoro. He gets free too much.

it's hard to win when you can't shoot, you play lackadaisical defense (in the first half) -- Cavs gave up 70 in the 1st half... and what ....51 in the 2nd? Outscored them about 2 to 1 in the third and couldn't finish it.

I also recognize that it was clear they were being mindful of JA's minutes, and DG....was more reminiscent of how he was when he came back from an 8-game absence. His shot was completely off on good looks, and as you said, eventually put together a good string of offense.
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Yea good point about Hield. He is a solid player but a one trick pony. He is incredible on catch and shoot 3s, but anything else you ask him to do, you might as well iso Niang. Okoro is our best option to stick to guys like him. Also shows how great it is Strus has more to his game than just the 3
 
I fell asleep during the second....maybe a good thing.
It is the same ole thing, poor D
 
My other pro sports team

2021: 2nd last

*new GM + new coaching staff*

2022: 3rd
2023: Champions


The only real change was the coaching staff and a few role players (some not even wanted by other teams) to fit the new game plan

I know completely different sport etc but it has made me value coaching so much more than I use to
 
cabs said:
Will one of the soft cock reporters ask JBB about his thought process with the timeout up 4?
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This is a great point, was at the game, cavs had the momentum, JB tries to get cute, takes a TO for no good reason. If anyone wanted a timeout there it was Indy. Im sure he was just trying to rest some guys but, just way overthinking it. 11-0 run for Indy followed.
 
Someone mentioned it earlier - when it happened - I taped the game so I went back and watched it.

Why the F did Jarrett Allen shoot a one handed, LEFT handed free throw on his first free throw attempt of the season?? Did he lose a bet? Was he trying to be funny?

By the way, he missed. That, and a couple of technical foul shots proved costly

I think the JA foul shot needs more attention. That’s some BS
 
Voodoo said:
Someone mentioned it earlier - when it happened - I taped the game so I went back and watched it.

Why the F did Jarrett Allen shoot a one handed, LEFT handed free throw on his first free throw attempt of the season?? Did he lose a bet? Was he trying to be funny?

By the way, he missed. That, and a couple of technical foul shots proved costly

I think the JA foul shot needs more attention. That’s some BS
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Fedor asked him about it postgame, and Allen kinda avoided the question. It does feel like a weird bet or something. Which...if so, pretty unprofessional.

Check it out here, 2:42 into the video:

 
kookoo said:
If this season is a write-off, I'd rather bring in a coach now who can get the shit habits out. Otherwise you go into next season with a new coach and need half of a season to adjust to that. If the coach we want is out there, they should be taken asap.
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There aren’t any coaches to hire. they’re all under contract and you can’t hire one during the season. Unless you want a free agent coach. There’s none of those worth a damn. We’d be better off waiting till the offseason so we can do a full extensive search.
 
FrontPageNews said:
There aren’t any coaches to hire. they’re all under contract and you can’t hire one during the season. Unless you want a free agent coach. There’s none of those worth a damn. We’d be better off waiting till the offseason so we can do a full extensive search.
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Bud
 
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