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2023 Guardians Spring Training Thread

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We have to play on the West Coast sometime...best to get part of it out of the way early.

Its a 7 PM game for the Seattle fans, which is more accessible to fans than 4 PM.

Consider that the Jake's first home opener was a 1 PM contest vs Seattle. Thats 10 AM in Seattle. How many Mariner fans got to see the Big Unit open the 1994 season?

Its a big country with four time zones. Some game times are naturally inconvenient, and there's no getting around it.
 
It beats starting here and having snow outs and crowds of 12k due to cold.

and we’ve started out west many times. I remember staying up late listening to Herb score and nev chandler announce Andre Thornton hit a 3 run bomb and beating Seattle 8-5 in the opening game….only to drag thru school the next day
 
 
Coming in at a cool #85 in the CBS top 100 MLB players is……Amed Rosario.
Stuff like this right now is only going to drive up the cost to resign them to a multi-year deal. They needed to save this until after he signed his new contract here.
 
Stuff like this right now is only going to drive up the cost to resign them to a multi-year deal. They needed to save this until after he signed his new contract here.
I wasn’t aware of Amed’s pronouns until this post. ;) But you mixed it.
 
Please, if anyone would trade Rosario straight up for Edwin Diaz (before injury), Nimmo, Gausmann, Castellanos, Realmuto or Wheeler (the last few $100 million contracts over last few years) than that GM needs their heads examine. Now, it will be close as I expect Rosario to get up to 5 year - $15 million contract per year or a 2-year $20 million with club options (buying them) as a team is desperate to fill a hole. This is even in the best FA class, he could ever hope for, with no other real SS to best him by too much (assuming Anderson option is picked up). I will cover that $100 million 9-figure bet for anyone who wants to make it.

Yet, unless Rosario is playing LF or 2nd this year and/or batting 6th at some point this year for us to show flexibility and team first attitude... NO F'en WAY does a Yankee or Dodgers team who have money to burn bump a Judge or Freeman in the lineup for a player for some reason cannot handle changes - even batting 6th on our team that have 6 better projected hitters per FG (even after Oscar).

Yes, both these teams need shortstops but Rosario is an enigma ... good enough to command money but there may not be a right fit. Too many good shortstops coming up to put Rosario as your franchise #2 hitter/SS for anything more than 1-2 years, let alone 5 years. And, he has shown no one (even Tito) the flexibility to be a Story or other "good" SS to move to 2nd for the better fielder/player, as of YET, for any sane GM (other than Padres) to make that 5-year $100 million bet. Honestly, him going to Tito to bat 6th or 7th on our good team is his best bet to prepare for FA (give up that hit title by racking up the PAs) for team first flexibility.

Now, DJ LeMahieu got 6 year - $15 million pre-2021 for his 2019 and 2020 HR breakout and .300+ BA but he had position flexibility (and sure Yanks are regretting it to an extent). Costallanos had 30+ HR seasons before last year for his $100 mill. Schwarber got 4 year $80 million and he made the USA team. DR even picked Cano to warm the bench and Marte who would be the closest comp over Rosario (ignoring Adams and Franco and Pena as true SS). Marte just got 5-year $75 million + club option to kick in this year to play 2nd for Ariz/DR over Rosario (remember my note that Anderson showed flexibility in wanting to play 2nd so Turner could play SS that matters to GMs).

I have already wasted my time trying to convince people that the SS market may be thin next year but so are the options for teams having $100 million to give Rosario
Detroit - Baez
Angles - Neto
Boston - Mayer
Guardians - Rocchio and Gimenez
Dodgers - enough prospect depth to buy someone better than Rosario, plus Lux will be back next year
Braves - Shoemaker and Grissom
Giants - Luciano
Arizona - Lawlar
Reds - Cruz
Yankees - Volpe and others

Rosario is nothing more than a filler ... short-term plug ... that can be a huge contract drag at $20 million a year if he cannot at least move to 2nd base or down to 6th or 7th in order.
Depending on the length offered of course, I'd be more than happy to take the bet on his contract being 9 figures. If Lindor cashed $350, then Amed would slaughter 100 million. He's an upgrade at ss for 2/3 of all major league teams.
 
Just stop. To think he's going to get a $100M deal is asinine, and I'll take that bet about him being her until the season ends. How much you wanna put on it?
How about $100 that Rosario is here through the end of the season? We can work out the money exchange. The only way he's moved is if the Guardians are out of the race by mid July. That ain't happening. I'll take that bet any time. I'll also bet you Bieber will be here through 2024. This team is not gonna trade their day 1 playoff pitcher/ CY candidate for a more prospects. That ain't happening either. The team lost 2 more to Rule 5 recently. You want to lose 4 more next year?
 
FWIW.. losing a guy to Rule V.. amounts to a pimple on a gnat's ass... in the greater scheme of putting together a ML squad..
 
FWIW.. losing a guy to Rule V.. amounts to a pimple on a gnat's ass... in the greater scheme of putting together a ML squad..
Dunno.. Trevor Stephan appears to be a pretty good ass pimple to me.
 
Rosario may not even get enough votes to even finish last of all the other AL Central SS's. He is battling Baez for last place (and with their pop/attendance may get more straight line votes) in the Central behind Correra, Witt, Anderson .... But damn it ... he is our All-Star SS by a mile???

Sorry, shouldn't spread hate or argue with other posters, no matter what they are smoking, but please pass it over here. If we want to compete, we shouldn't be satisfied with an average position because that will always be the catcher with their defensive focus. Not saying Arias or Freeman would be the difference but Rocchio maybe and thus why FO maybe waiting a year and only upgrading C (somewhat) and 1B/DH for now -- avoiding going all in for now.
Tim Anderson? The guy who commits about 25 errors per season and only plays half the games? LOL on that crap.
 
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...CaPrVmZVu0Z4mRVS_ExVkv5XavjRNElermQTsbfYGoNh8

ESPN Top 100:
1. Shohei Ohtani
2. Mike Trout
3. Aaron Judge
4. Manny Machado
5. Freddie Freeman
6. Juan Soto
7. Julio Rodriguez
8. Trea Turner
9. Mookie Betts
10. Nolan Arenado

13. Jose Ramirez 3B | Cleveland Guardians
Mr. Consistency. Ramirez is a baseball player in the way grizzled old scouts might describe a player who isn't the strongest or the fastest or the biggest or the flashiest. Other than an inexplicable slump in the first half of 2019, he has been one of baseball's best hitters -- and best all-around players -- since 2017. We can see that respect in his results in the MVP voting: third, third, second, sixth and fourth in five of the past six seasons. Ramirez already has 2.54 MVP Award Shares in his career -- more than Rickey Henderson, Chipper Jones or Cal Ripken Jr.

He's durable, he steals 20 bases every year, he strikes out fewer than 100 times a season, he swats doubles and home runs and he's a solid defender. Nobody ever seems to call him one of the top 10 best players in baseball, but at the end of the season, he's always right there.

Season prediction: This one is easy. Ramirez hits 32 home runs (give or take a few), drives in over 100 runs, leads the league in doubles for the third time and finishes in the top six in MVP voting. -- Schoenfield

30. Shane Bieber SP | Cleveland Guardians
The 2022 season brought with it an evolution for Bieber, the AL's Cy Young Award winner in 2020. Bieber had seen the velocity on his four-seam fastball continually diminish, from 94 mph in 2020 to 93 mph in 2021 to 91 mph in 2022. But he has altered his pitch mix in order to combat it, beginning to use his slider more often than his curveball, and he has seen results. Bieber finished the 2022 season seventh in Cy Young voting, posting a 2.88 ERA and reaching precisely 200 innings. Alarm bells were ringing in Cleveland when Bieber got shelled by the Blue Jays on May 7, allowing seven runs with a fastball that barely cracked 90 mph. From that point forward, he posted the 10th-lowest ERA in the sport.

Season prediction: You probably wouldn't be surprised to learn that Bieber's strikeout rate has dropped over time, from 41.1% in 2020 to 33.1% in 2021 to 25% in 2022. But his walk rate last season, 4.6%, was barely more than half what it was the year before. Bieber is a different pitcher, but still a very effective one. Expect that to continue. -- Gonzalez

48. Andrés Gimenez 2B | Cleveland Guardians
The 24-year-old second baseman put together a breakout season in 2022, hitting .297/.371/.466 with a 7.2 bWAR. Gimenez's defense catapulted him into one of the game's more valuable players, but there are some questions about whether the Guardians' infielder can repeat the success given the 40-point differential in his expected batting average (.257) and actual average (.297). While his 17 homers last season look like an outlier compared to his career numbers, expect him to make an impact on the basepaths after stealing 20 bases in 2022.

Season prediction: Gimenez will still be an above-average hitter but expect his power numbers to take a step back while his production equalizes with the expected sabermetric numbers given his contact rate and exit velocity. -- Lee

59. Emmanuel Clase RP | Cleveland Guardians
In the original incarnation of our rankings, there were but two relievers so dominant that they earned a spot on the list. Edwin Diaz then suffered that devastating knee injury in the WCS, so now Clase, who won last year's Mariano Rivera AL Reliever of the Year award, stands alone as baseball's top fireman entering the season. He's earned that status by becoming one of the rarest of baseball phenomenons: The consistent reliever.

In his case, Clase isn't just consistent -- he's consistently dominant. Over the last two seasons, Clase has a surreal 1.33 ERA over 142⅓ innings. In 2022, he saved 42 games in 46 chances and earned wins in two of the games in which he blew the save. He does this with a cutter-slider combination so unhittable that to describe it as "nasty" hardly seems sufficient. The cutter in particular is almost -- dare we say? -- Rivera-esque.

Season prediction: There is zero reason to think that Clase's game is going to tail off any time soon, especially when a "bad" season for him at this point would be a two-something ERA. -- Doolittle

76. Triston McKenzie SP | Cleveland Guardians
By trying to do a little less in 2021, McKenzie accomplished a whole lot more in 2022. His strikeout rate dropped from 27.5% to 25.6% of opposing batters, but he more than offset that dip by slicing his walk rate and managing his effort to work deeper into games. He averaged 4.8 innings per start in 2021 but that figure soared to 6.3 last season as he finished with 191⅓ innings pitched and doubled his quality start count. McKenzie leaned less frequently on his fastball, even though he still has just a three-pitch mix. Even without a deep arsenal, McKenzie's numbers remain strong even as he gets into the third time through an opposing lineup.

Season prediction: From here, it's a matter of fine tuning the command. While McKenzie was much better at attacking the strike zone last season, he did go through spates where he caught the middle of the plate too often, and his homer rate would spike. Given his rate of improvement so far, the Guardians can look to further gains in this area. -- Doolittle

79. Steven Kwan LF | Cleveland Guardians
We've been so indoctrinated by today's power-driven game that sometimes we forget that players like Kwan can not only still exist but excel, too. He hit .298/.373/.400 and won a Gold Glove in left field despite one of the lowest hard-hit rates in the game. His 5.5 bWAR was the best by a Cleveland rookie since Kenny Lofton in 1992. He makes it work because of impeccable strike-zone judgment -- he swung and missed just 91 times out of 1,006 swings. Only Luis Arraez had a better contact rate.

The projection systems forecast regression, however, his contact ability, defense, speed and plate discipline give him a high floor of 3 WAR even if the average drops 20 points. But here's betting on .300 in 2023.

Season prediction: Hey, I just said .300! Let's go with .304 with 100 runs scored and another Gold Glove. -- Schoenfield
 
How about $100 that Rosario is here through the end of the season? We can work out the money exchange. The only way he's moved is if the Guardians are out of the race by mid July. That ain't happening. I'll take that bet any time. I'll also bet you Bieber will be here through 2024. This team is not gonna trade their day 1 playoff pitcher/ CY candidate for a more prospects. That ain't happening either. The team lost 2 more to Rule 5 recently. You want to lose 4 more next year?
You're on and the only way Bieber is here through the 24 season is if he's extended. How about $100 on each? I have to ask you though, what was about to happen to JRam before he accepted his below market value deal?

Do we want to put more money on a 9 figure contract for Amed?

If those 4 are substandard compared to the others then I don't give a fuck if they lose 10 more. That means the system is loaded. I can't even remember the names of those lost this year. I think they were relievers and we have plenty of those already.
 
You're on and the only way Bieber is here through the 24 season is if he's extended. How about $100 on each? I have to ask you though, what was about to happen to JRam before he accepted his below market value deal?
Bets are on. If Bieber is extended. you lose. Chances on that happening are slim and none. As for Jose, now that he's signed, the team is all in on winning. And that includes keeping Rosario and Bieber.
 
Bets are on. If Bieber is extended. you lose. Chances on that happening are slim and none. As for Jose, now that he's signed, the team is all in on winning. And that includes keeping Rosario and Bieber.
No nice try. That's not what was said. If Bieber is extended then it's voided. WTF is wrong with you?

There hasn't been any mention of a Rosario extension and you thinking he's part of this team's future with a 9 figure contract is hilarious. Do you think there has been any conversation between Amed and the organization about an extension?
 

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