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2023 Guardians Spring Training Thread

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Coming in at a cool #85 in the CBS top 100 MLB players is……Amed Rosario.
Sorry dude...The memo is out. There are only 3 people in all of Cleveland that like Amed. Cats, Rcrystal and me. 85th ranking in all of baseball on average means Rosario would rank as the 3rd best player on any given team.

I just looked it up, Rosario ranked 12th in shortstop range last season. Couple that with a very respectable 12 errors, he ranks as a solid defensive player in my view. I also know that the brass loves Rosario.
 
No nice try. That's not what was said. If Bieber is extended then it's voided. WTF is wrong with you?

There hasn't been any mention of a Rosario extension and you thinking he's part of this team's future with a 9 figure contract is hilarious. Do you think there has been any conversation between Amed and the organization about an extension?
No what the fuck is wrong with YOU? I said Bieber would be here until the end of 24..you moved the goal posts. Knock it off. Bets or no bets?

As for Rosario, I can guarantee you med will make over 100 million dollars over the next 6 years. CBS sports says you are full of shit.
 
No what the fuck is wrong with YOU? I said Bieber would be here until the end of 24..you moved the goal posts. Knock it off. Bets or no bets?

As for Rosario, I can guarantee you med will make over 100 million dollars over the next 6 years. CBS sports says you are full of shit.
Go reread the first sentence of my response then get back to me. You're the one trying to pull a slight one as I've been saying for quite some time that the only way Bieber is here for the 24 season is if he's extended. You stated exactly "I'll also bet you Bieber will be here through 2024. This team is not gonna trade their day 1 playoff pitcher/ CY candidate for a more prospects. That ain't happening either. The team lost 2 more to Rule 5 recently. You want to lose 4 more next year?" There's no mention of an extension there.

I didn't know CBS had sports coverage. It means absolutely nothing. Amed is average in every way so shed your tears and go about your business.
 
Depending on the length offered of course, I'd be more than happy to take the bet on his contract being 9 figures. If Lindor cashed $350, then Amed would slaughter 100 million. He's an upgrade at ss for 2/3 of all major league teams.
I would say $100 from your bet below on if he is here at year-end (which I wouldn't do) but $100 mill figure ... sure. But, just passing by today before I take off for another break. Just knew someone would post the 86th rank for Rosario. Yet, it would be like taking candy from a baby if you even believe that he improves 2/3rds of the teams ... He would only improve Det in our Conference (I would take Anderson, just as I think his OBP, OPS+ and dWar are a bit better but know why others would argue against.).

NYY, BOS, ATL, ARZ, Dodgers, Angels are my first pass at top 15 teams looking to spend and trade that he could improve (for at least this year till their prospects are ready).

If you just look at FG - Steamer -- he is 17 and behind Gimenez and Hoerner (moving to 2nd) but ahead of Cruz-Pitt and Anderson. So it feels about right AVERAGE .... Like I said, I can see 5 for $75. But, I would also trade Rosario for Volpe, Neto, Mayer, De La Cruz-Reds, Cruz, Tovar and Luciano straight-up plus give them others like Tena or even Allen for some - and that is even if Rosario signs a 5-year $50 million contract as Ramirez will make up the difference to his buddy to keep him here.

Coming in at a cool #85 in the CBS top 100 MLB players is……Amed Rosario.

It actually seemed half-way reasonable at first glance figuring that they under-valued some younger guys like McK and being between Torres and Diaz (who signed 3-year 8 million per ... vs Bell 2-year $16.5 million per but he is not on the list). But, it started to be the proverbial wipe your ass in the old days for the paper it is written on when Swanson is 99th ??? Guy who is GG, All-star and few MVP votes is that far down ... please. And, Anderson is 74....

Tim Anderson? The guy who commits about 25 errors per season and only plays half the games? LOL on that crap.

So that CBS Sports #86 then is crap is Anderson is 74 at CBS and 61 at ESPN. Rosario wasn't listed at ESPN Again, you can cherry pick stats to prove any point and it may have some validity. But, not Bimbo's standards for stats -- they can be misleading and he warned us for a year on Rosario's numbers improving due to how he was told to shift (I was going to ask him if the better alignment was due to pitch-com due to analytic department not just telling 2b/SS how to align with hitters but telling them how to align based on the pitch type/location that they could now hear) - maybe before others adopted it. But, per BR, 18.2 WAR in 3,100 ABs and has 2 AS and MVP-7 finish while Rosario has 9.7 WAR in 2,660 ABs and no hardware. I guess your analytics must be so much better than everyone else's .... hope you get a job with NYYs, maybe we get a shot then. (and note, I already typed that I could see some argument in Rosario vs Anderson before you posted this). I just prefer Anderson, IMO.

I am out ... but if you want that $100 bet ... I would honor it and come back by December to check-in... But, one last thing to leave you with to Bimbo's point, Amed has had 63 errors in 2271 chances while Anderson in just one extra season (20% more ABs in comp) has had 116 errors in 3,046 chances. That is 34% more chances for Anderson (compared to 18% more games and 16% more ABs) -- who gets to more balls? Errors/Chances is 3.8% for Anderson and 2.8% for Rosario. So, you point seems legit because Anderson may be ranging to more balls and thus making more errors as he is near more stuff (unless you think he has a magnet due to getting more chances in games than Rosario). Thus, as Bimbo just said a week or so ago, is OAA is the only real metric to see true ability in fielding as others are misleading...

If you sort on OAA (outs above average) and SS only... Anderson had -2 last year (but +10 per FG for career) - maybe because he was injured last year but Amed ... poor dude was -10 last year (almost last just ahead of Crawford and Garcia - 35 out of 37 listed). And per FG, he is -42 for his career.

Maybe we can up that $100 to $1,000 .... going on vacation with kids and need some spending money. And, this is why people tried to take me to the cleaners yesterday????? Not worth it ... Even our ex-insder said in Nov that he doesn't want to see Rosario in the #2 hole for another season (maybe he has some pull now).
 
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The Guardians have seven prospects in MLB's top 82 and the column mentioned that three more who are not in the top 100 (Brennan, Arias, Logan Allen) who are "on the verge of the Majors".

Also, six of the seven in the top 100 are, in the opinion of MLB, "on the verge of the Majors". That's nine prospects total, so we're not talking about guys who are years away (except for DeLauter).

When you consider that Kwan, Gonzalez, Sandler, Karinchak, Morgan, and Hentges recently graduated from the prospect ranks and the roster as a whole is one of the youngest in the majors it's clear that the Guardians are set to be very good for a long time.

The other Central division farm systems are far behind; the Twins are 19th, the Tigers 25th, the White Sox 26th, and the Royals 29th.

Only four American League teams are ranked in the top 12 farm systems; the Orioles (1), Guardians (4), Rays (6) and Rangers (7).

The Royals ranked 8th a year ago but so many of their top prospects are now with the big club that their ranking dropped all the way to 29th. I assume KC will be the league's youngest team this year.
 
Zack Meisel, the Guardians' beat writer for The Athletic, has Myles Straw as the Guardians' player with the "most at stake" this season.

Straw won a Gold Glove award last season. He stole 21 bases in 22 attempts. But Will Brennan is lurking. So if Straw can’t offer more at the plate than the .221/.291/.273 he mustered last season, he could eventually lose his grip on the everyday center field gig. He visited Cleveland over the winter to conference with the team’s hitting experts about his approach. He was proficient last season at the beginning (.387 on-base percentage in April) and at the end (.364 OBP in September/October), but had an abysmal four months in between. Another outage could pave the way for Brennan to land more playing time and shift Straw into more of a fourth outfielder/defensive replacement/pinch-runner role. Or, if Straw can reach base at a sufficient clip, with his speed (and larger bases) and defense, he could prove quite valuable. — Zack Meisel

My candidate might be Amed Rosario since this is a contract year. Also, Zach Plesac needs to rebound from a couple of substandard, injury-plagued seasons (his own fault) because there are some blue chip prospects moving up.
 
Sorry dude...The memo is out. There are only 3 people in all of Cleveland that like Amed. Cats, Rcrystal and me. 85th ranking in all of baseball on average means Rosario would rank as the 3rd best player on any given team.

I just looked it up, Rosario ranked 12th in shortstop range last season. Couple that with a very respectable 12 errors, he ranks as a solid defensive player in my view. I also know that the brass loves Rosario.
The guy who did the list isn't from Cleveland so your status is safe.
 
Sorry dude...The memo is out. There are only 3 people in all of Cleveland that like Amed. Cats, Rcrystal and me. 85th ranking in all of baseball on average means Rosario would rank as the 3rd best player on any given team.

I just looked it up, Rosario ranked 12th in shortstop range last season. Couple that with a very respectable 12 errors, he ranks as a solid defensive player in my view. I also know that the brass loves Rosario.

If you are talking about RngR, that isn't a measurement of range.

You guys really have to dial in on how these stats you are using are calculated, what they actually mean, and the stat keeping that they are based off of.

The only statistic that actually factors in the ground a defensive player covers is OAA. Statcast is the only stat keeping service able to actually track how far a player goes to make a play.
 
If you are talking about RngR, that isn't a measurement of range.

You guys really have to dial in on how these stats you are using are calculated, what they actually mean, and the stat keeping that they are based off of.

The only statistic that actually factors in the ground a defensive player covers is OAA. Statcast is the only stat keeping service able to actually track how far a player goes to make a play.

Is there a site that has the OAA listed?
 
If you are talking about RngR, that isn't a measurement of range.

You guys really have to dial in on how these stats you are using are calculated, what they actually mean, and the stat keeping that they are based off of.

The only statistic that actually factors in the ground a defensive player covers is OAA. Statcast is the only stat keeping service able to actually track how far a player goes to make a play.
Is anyone fooled at this point?

We all know @thestatman has absolutely no fucking idea what he's talking about. He made that clear from day 1 of joining RCF. Remember, ERA is the gold standard and Zach McAllister is the best pitcher on the team.
 
Well Bell just did what he was signed to do! Got a HR and the OF didn't even move once it was hit...
 

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