2023 Offseason Potential Targets (FA and Trades)

[Ohioplayer00]

Why would they give the Cavs Green & the 4th pick for 1 full year of Mitchell before having to deal with his free agency stuff ?

Houston going “all in” on Mitchell & Harden to make a play-in tournament is laughable at best.

If you’re the Cavs DO YOU SAY NO ?

There’s only one player I want from Houston and I’m sure not giving up Mitchell to get him (Kenyon Martin Jr). Maybe a package of Okoro and Cedi.

 

[JJ_PR]

Cleveland receives: Royce O'Neale & Dorian Finney Smith
Brooklyn receives: Alex Caruso & Patrick Williams
Chicago receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland adds some wing players to their roster.
Brooklyn goes for role players to complement their stars.
Chicago gets the best player in the deal.

 

[adam81king]

Cleveland receives: Royce O'Neale & Dorian Finney Smith
Brooklyn receives: Alex Caruso & Patrick Williams
Chicago receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland adds some wing players to their roster.
Brooklyn goes for role players to complement their stars.
Chicago gets the best player in the deal.

I need a lot more for JA than RON and DFS. Add in a draft pick, or Pat Williams, and we can talk.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Cleveland receives: Royce O'Neale & Dorian Finney Smith
Brooklyn receives: Alex Caruso & Patrick Williams
Chicago receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland adds some wing players to their roster.
Brooklyn goes for role players to complement their stars.
Chicago gets the best player in the deal.

I need a lot more for JA than RON and DFS. Add in a draft pick, or Pat Williams, and we can talk.

In '24 Bulls have their own 1st plus a lotto-protected Portland 1st. The Portland one is the only one they could trade since the Bulls don't have their '25 1st.

Nets have #21 & #22 this year.

This kind of makes more sense to me:

Cleveland receives: Royce O'Neale, Patrick Williams, #22
Brooklyn receives: Alex Caruso, '24 POR 1st (lotto-protected)
Chicago receives: Jarrett Allen

-Cavs get a starting SF, add depth and flexibility at 3/4, and get a pick to add depth or use in another trade.
-Nets trade their expiring wing for a perimeter defender and a future 1st.
-Chicago adds a rim protector to pair with LaVine and DeRozan.

Only makes sense if Vuc is gone, but I think each team gets good value. Cavs could throw #49 to Nets if needed to grease the wheels, but I'd prefer to keep that pick.

 

[Jscc]

#1 I’m not convinced Donovan Mitchell is that guy that can lead a title contending team. I think this team is more than capable of being dealt a gentleman sweep in the playoffs without Mitchell on their roster just as much as they were with him.

But I think that goes for any team bringing him on as the main piece….I don’t believe he’s a true #1 star and don’t think he has the kinda game to be an effective #2 role (at this stage of his career)

Why? Mitchell has been the #1 option during all six seasons of his career. His teams have never had a sub .500 record [294-178 in regular season] and have never missed the playoffs [45 post-season games under his belt]. It's difficult to win that much and have so many post-season appearances without a #1 option. Mitchell isn't a generational star like prime LeBron, but he's not a Bradley Beal either. He's closer to a Paul Pierce 1B type. You can contend with a 1B.

 

[PIP]

Why? Mitchell has been the #1 option during all six seasons of his career. His teams have never had a sub .500 record [294-178 in regular season] and have never missed the playoffs [45 post-season games under his belt]. It's difficult to win that much and have so many post-season appearances without a #1 option. Mitchell isn't a generational star like prime LeBron, but he's not a Bradley Beal either. He's closer to a Paul Pierce 1B type. You can contend with a 1B.

Because he’s an undersized combo guard that can be neutralized with size so you have to surround him with a lot to even just have a chance..

Curry Klay
Giannis
LeBron AD
Kawhi
Curry Durant Klay
Curry Durant Klay
LeBron Kyrie
Curry Klay
Kawhi
LeBron Wade
LeBron Wade
Dirk
Kobe Pau
Kobe Pau
Garnett Allen Pierce
Duncan Parker Ginobili
Wade

Basically the primary players for the last 17 finals.

I guess you can say Wade in 06 (tho I think that Wade was more dominant than Mitchell) Otherwise if you’re not looking at the greatest shooter(s) of all time you’re looking at generational talents…In addition most of these guys were also mismatches and bigger guards/forwards..

Yes Wade & Iverson got their teams to the finals as undersized combo guards but it’s pretty rare….

 

[foucault87]

Because he’s an undersized combo guard that can be neutralized with size so you have to surround him with a lot to even just have a chance..

Curry Klay
Giannis
LeBron AD
Kawhi
Curry Durant Klay
Curry Durant Klay
LeBron Kyrie
Curry Klay
Kawhi
LeBron Wade
LeBron Wade
Dirk
Kobe Pau
Kobe Pau
Garnett Allen Pierce
Duncan Parker Ginobili
Wade

Basically the primary players for the last 17 finals.

I guess you can say Wade in 06 (tho I think that Wade was more dominant than Mitchell) Otherwise if you’re not looking at the greatest shooter(s) of all time you’re looking at generational talents…In addition most of these guys were also mismatches and bigger guards/forwards..

Yes Wade & Iverson got their teams to the finals as undersized combo guards but it’s pretty rare….

Wade had shaq in 06

 

[PIP]

Wade had shaq in 06

I know. He just wasn't elite. Still solid but averaged around 13 & 10 in those finals

 

[Randolphkeys]

I need a lot more for JA than RON and DFS. Add in a draft pick, or Pat Williams, and we can talk.

Watching Cavs fans talk themselves into Jarrett Allen being mediocre in the past month is quite something. You want to see what mediocre looks like? Let me present to you DFS's 2022/23 season!

 

[HammerGold]

DM is not even close to prime Wade. Prime Wade was a beast on both ends of the court, arguably the 2nd best SG ever at his peak.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Because he’s an undersized combo guard that can be neutralized with size so you have to surround him with a lot to even just have a chance..

Curry Klay
Giannis
LeBron AD
Kawhi
Curry Durant Klay
Curry Durant Klay
LeBron Kyrie
Curry Klay
Kawhi
LeBron Wade
LeBron Wade
Dirk
Kobe Pau
Kobe Pau
Garnett Allen Pierce
Duncan Parker Ginobili
Wade

Basically the primary players for the last 17 finals.

I guess you can say Wade in 06 (tho I think that Wade was more dominant than Mitchell) Otherwise if you’re not looking at the greatest shooter(s) of all time you’re looking at generational talents…In addition most of these guys were also mismatches and bigger guards/forwards..

Yes Wade & Iverson got their teams to the finals as undersized combo guards but it’s pretty rare….

This isn't some exact measure but I was scrolling through The Athletic's Top 75 of All-Time rankings. There's the discussion about when players were at their peak, but in terms of a team's alpha player, Iverson (40), Kawhi (34), and Wade (28) are the only three guys outside of the Athletic's top 25 of All-Time. If you'd put Pierce (50) ahead of Garnett (17) for the time they played that's fair.

Along with what you mentioned about guards, this is all telling you that unless you have a player who is at least a top 40 All-Time caliber guy, you don't have a real chance to win a title. Basically, unless one of our guys evolves into that type of player people need to realize legitimately contending for a championship isn't in the cards and just enjoy the ride for what it is.

 

[cavsfever]

Kuzma is trash. Hard pass.-1.5 DBPM last year. Can't shoot 3s

Kuzma is a good defender. You have to watch the games not the stats for defense. But he’s going to get more than he’s worth IMO, and be out of our price range, so probably not worth pursuing

 

[cavsfever]

Because he’s an undersized combo guard that can be neutralized with size so you have to surround him with a lot to even just have a chance..

Curry Klay
Giannis
LeBron AD
Kawhi
Curry Durant Klay
Curry Durant Klay
LeBron Kyrie
Curry Klay
Kawhi
LeBron Wade
LeBron Wade
Dirk
Kobe Pau
Kobe Pau
Garnett Allen Pierce
Duncan Parker Ginobili
Wade

Basically the primary players for the last 17 finals.

I guess you can say Wade in 06 (tho I think that Wade was more dominant than Mitchell) Otherwise if you’re not looking at the greatest shooter(s) of all time you’re looking at generational talents…In addition most of these guys were also mismatches and bigger guards/forwards..

Yes Wade & Iverson got their teams to the finals as undersized combo guards but it’s pretty rare….

2006 Wade was an absolute beast (this was before his injuries slowed him down) and at 6’4 he was never undersized for a SG. He also had Shaq in 2006 who was still decent even though he was on the downslope of his career

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I’ll throw Jalen Smith on the heap. He lost his starting spot and the Pacers have a bunch of cap space. There’s also a lot of forwards on this draft and they are pretty guard heavy, so I could see them moving someone like Smith to clear PT for Jackson and a pick.

 

[JJ_PR]

Trade #1
Cleveland receives: Royce O'Neale
Brooklyn receives: 4 srp's

Why?
Cleveland needs a wing & they can absorb him into the MLE.
Brooklyn gets some value for a guy that might not be in their future plans.

Trade #2
Cleveland receives: Dorian Finney-Smith
Brooklyn receives: Cedi Osman (unguaranteed), Lamar Stevens (unguaranteed), Sam Merrill (unguaranteed) & 4 srp's

Why?
Cleveland adds another quality wing.
Brooklyn shaves a massive amount of salary & gets back a total of eight second rounders.

Sign Clarkson for the minimum with the promise of a pay raise when we get his bird rights.

PG: Darius Garland / Ricky Rubio / Raul Neto
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Jordan Clarkson
SF: Royce O'Neale / Dorian Finney-Smith / Isaac Okoro
PF: Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Luke Travers / Isaiah Mobley
C: Jarrett Allen / Khalifa Diop
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff