2023 Season | Series #32 | Phillies @ Guardians | July 21-23, 2023

[sportscoach]

Also, in case anyone is curious.

We are pretty much a full run worse offensively in games that Gallagher starts, and that includes Zunino starts. We score 3.7 runs with him, 4.6 without him.

Friendly reminder our record when scoring 4 or more runs is 37-14. Under its 12-36.

Now get ready for 2 or 3 more Gallagher games this week.

What's our team ERA with him catching and him not catching?

 

[BimboColesHair]

What's our team ERA with him catching and him not catching?

3.32 ERA with him catching.

4.19 with him not catching.

4.66 with Zunino catching.
3.20 with Fry catching.
3.79 with Naylor catching.

And keep in mind he has been Bieber and Civale’s personal catcher for 95% of the season. The 2 of them have a combined 3.4 ERA and are doing most of that work.

 

[CDAV45]

What's our team ERA with him catching and him not catching?

I'm not even going to bother to look, but I think it's an easy guess to say that if there is any difference in team ERA that it doesn't make up the difference of his shitty offense when he plays. There is no good reason to keep him on the roster and having him gives us no advantages. You're "3 catchers" idea is nonsensical and no matter how many straws you grasp for it won't change that fact. Speaking of Straws, I view Myles the same way I view Gallagher. If they sum of your play is shitty then you shouldn't be on the 26 man IMO. Lump Amed into that category too because he deserves to be.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Thats OK.

Use that clown face every time Arias strikes out and Fry delivers.

You will use it a lot...lol.

Dude, you really need to learn some basic reading comprehension.

Bimbo didn't say that Arias should play over Fry. Nobody has said that. They play (and should play) very different positions.

Yet twice now you've made condescending statements about Fry over Arias.

You're getting to the point where your responses are too unintelligible to waste time with--and that's a shame.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Sickening. How many ways can you find to throw away a win?

1. A balk with two out (and then retire the batter at the plate). Curry went into his stretch, checked the runners, forgot he was in the stretch, and then went into his windup. Just gifted them a run.

2. A dropped pop-up by Jose with two outs allowed the runner to score.

3. Hentges stood on the mound on a ground ball down the first base line. Bell, a horrible defensive first baseman, finally made a great play and came up with the ball but by now Hentges was late and the runner was safe. Not getting the out extended the inning and the Phillies scored on a ground ball that would have been the third out.

This should have been a 3-1 win.

There were lots of goats today. Hentges, in addition to failing to cover first, gave up a double and a triple and two more earned runs, bringing his total to 13 over his last 4 innings.

Rosario, pinch hitting with two out and a runner at second, swung and missed at three breaking balls well below the zone. The last one was the lowest. Just a horrible at-bat.

Gimenez, with Straw at first and nobody out in the bottom of the 9th, swung at a pitch out of the zone with Straw getting a great jump, fouling it off. Now with two strikes on him he chased a pitch out of the zone and grounded into a double play. Fry homered with two out, but without the double play it's a two-run homer and the game is over.

Jose and Josh Naylor went a combined 0-for-10. In the 10th with the bases loaded and nobody out Jose chased two pitches well out of the zone, fouling them off. On a 3-2 count he got one middle middle and popped it up. Then Naylor chased a bad pitch on an 0-1 count and popped out.

On the bright side, Kwan had four hits and Michael Kelly continues to be unscored on. He needs to take Hentges' spot. Hentges should only pitch in games where we are way behind. He gave up a double and a triple, both on fastballs above the zone. Hitters should not be able to square up a 95-96 mph fastball above the strike zone, but they're doing it to Sam.

Frustration! They still took two of three, but it should have been a sweep.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Dude, you really need to learn some basic reading comprehension.

Bimbo didn't say that Arias should play over Fry. Nobody has said that. They play (and should play) very different positions.

Yet twice now you've made condescending statements about Fry over Arias.

You're getting to the point where your responses are too unintelligible to waste time with--and that's a shame.

Fry literally has no bearing on Arias or his future as an MLB player. Only in Catsland do those 2 overlap.

Both have no business playing RF. It’s a non-topic he thinks he’s being cute with and it’s pretty pathetic and clownish, hence the clowns.

He wants a highly regarded player to fail with his favorite organization is the more concerning aspect I have. He did the same with Nolan Jones too. Sure he felt we were wasting our time on Will Benson too, though I’m too lazy to go look right now.

It’s okay. Amed’s glove will cost us a game early this week and he’ll be MIA for the rest of the week until Amed has his 1 shining moment of the week and he’ll be back to shit on anyone else threatening Amed’s future with this team, which is nonexistent by the way Cats. He’s gone after this season. When even Andre Knott is starting to come out and say Amed isn’t the longterm SS after this season you know it’s over. Move on pal.

 

[KluberSociety]

And keep in mind he has been Bieber and Civale’s personal catcher for 95% of the season. The 2 of them have a combined 3.4 ERA and are doing most of that work.

And one of them is having the worst season of his career so you can't say that without Gallagher he'd be lost because he looks relatively lost now based on what we're used to. And yes I'd take 2018 Bieber over 2023 Bieber.

 

[CDAV45]

Sickening. How many ways can you find to throw away a win?

1. A balk with two out (and then retire the batter at the plate). Curry went into his stretch, checked the runners, forgot he was in the stretch, and then went into his windup. Just gifted them a run.

2. A dropped pop-up by Jose with two outs allowed the runner to score.

3. Hentges stood on the mound on a ground ball down the first base line. Bell, a horrible defensive first baseman, finally made a great play and came up with the ball but by now Hentges was late and the runner was safe. Not getting the out extended the inning and the Phillies scored on a ground ball that would have been the third out.

This should have been a 3-1 win.

There were lots of goats today. Hentges, in addition to failing to cover first, gave up a double and a triple and two more earned runs, bringing his total to 13 over his last 4 innings.

Rosario, pinch hitting with two out and a runner at second, swung and missed at three breaking balls well below the zone. The last one was the lowest. Just a horrible at-bat.

Gimenez, with Straw at first and nobody out in the bottom of the 9th, swung at a pitch out of the zone with Straw getting a great jump, fouling it off. Now with two strikes on him he chased a pitch out of the zone and grounded into a double play. Fry homered with two out, but without the double play it's a two-run homer and the game is over.

Jose and Josh Naylor went a combined 0-for-10. In the 10th with the bases loaded and nobody out Jose chased two pitches well out of the zone, fouling them off. On a 3-2 count he got one middle middle and popped it up. Then Naylor chased a bad pitch on an 0-1 count and popped out.

On the bright side, Kwan had four hits and Michael Kelly continues to be unscored on. He needs to take Hentges' spot. Hentges should only pitch in games where we are way behind. He gave up a double and a triple, both on fastballs above the zone. Hitters should not be able to square up a 95-96 mph fastball above the strike zone, but they're doing it to Sam.

Frustration! They still took two of three, but it should have been a sweep.

Meanwhile the shitty White Sox continue to be.....well......shitty, and give us no help.

Frustrating loss for sure, but the game wasn't without its bright spots. Kwan had 4 hits. Fry had a couple more hits that included a late inning HR to tie the game. I thought Xzavion pitched really well after the first few hitters he faced.

There is no reason to have Gallagher on the roster at all.

It was nice to see Straw and Rosario not in the starting lineup.

I wanted to punch Gimenez in the head when he ruined Straw's easy steal of 2B. He has to be better than that. Then he proceeded to hit into a double play.

 

[sportscoach]

We are underwhelmed, yes.

But not going to force anything just to force it and sacrifice the longer term picture.

I feel like we could get away with trading a Tena or Angel Martinez for SP help, if that got us SP help. But as I told my buddy, it's not worth it to trade for an Ohtani right now since we would have less wins in the long run cause of the cost of getting Ohtani as a rental...

 

[KluberSociety]

I feel like we could get away with trading a Tena or Angel Martinez for SP help, if that got us SP help. But as I told my buddy, it's not worth it to trade for an Ohtani right now since we would have less wins in the long run cause of the cost of getting Ohtani as a rental...

We can't start a new pitching machine in games. I think Angel will be fine but I wonder how much we could actually get for him...

 

[CDAV45]

We are underwhelmed, yes.

But not going to force anything just to force it and sacrifice the longer term picture.

This is music to my ears. Yes, I want them to find immediate success, but not at the expense of when the "real window" opens. In fact, I'd be good with adding personnel that fits more into that time frame. Can it be done while not necessarily hurting the current chances now which I don't see as very good anyway.

 

[CDAV45]

Dude, you really need to learn some basic reading comprehension.

Bimbo didn't say that Arias should play over Fry. Nobody has said that. They play (and should play) very different positions.

Yet twice now you've made condescending statements about Fry over Arias.

You're getting to the point where your responses are too unintelligible to waste time with--and that's a shame.

Love ya Q, but you're wasting your time brother.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Love ya Q, but you're wasting your time brother.

Been wasting my time on here for over fifteen years. No reason to let CATS stop me.

 

[CDAV45]

Been wasting my time on here for over fifteen years. No reason to let CATS stop me.

I got a kick out of his slight that stated how Fry has found immediate success while Arias has struggled. Didn't bother mentioning that there is almost 5 yrs difference in age. LOL Nevermind that Fry and Arias have nothing to do with each other. Do you think that next season he'll follow Amed closely while he plays for someone else and keep us reminded how they let a great one walk away?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I got a kick out of his slight that stated how Fry has found immediate success while Arias has struggled. Didn't bother mentioning that there is almost 5 yrs difference in age. LOL Nevermind that Fry and Arias have nothing to do with each other. Do you think that next season he'll follow Amed closely while he plays for someone else and keep us reminded how they let a great one walk away?

I think Fry has done exceptionally well in limited ABs.

I think Arias needs more consistent ABs. Some players just can't step in and pinch hit or play spot duties. Some of them need a rhythm and to play every day.

Comparing the two is stupid. Fry is playing his way into a nice utility and backup catcher role with pinch hit upside.

Arias is getting his season wasted by the worst SS in baseball.