22 GM Thread!!!

[Gson]

Truthfully, I am not thinking they would in real life. Via BTV they would have to, so that's how I set it up. But Rosario would net us at least a couple solid prospects.

Most of the teams after Rosario would be contenders so they wouldn't really want to trade anyone that could help them now. His value will be highest near the trade deadline. If Arias is playing well and Rosario is being at least league average, he will likely be moved for the best offer while Arias takes his spot.

Now it's possible we keep Rosario if he is playing well and we are in contention, but I doubt we will see him on the roster in 23...

Keeping a guy who can hit.. runs well.. but doesn't necessarily pick it well with the leather is always a possibility.. but, the Guardians would have to live with the consequences that include the loss of the contribution / ability / performance of Rosario's internal replacement: Gabriel Arias

Considering the return to the Guardians from the italicized statement as it is assumed the trade partner to the Guardians would be all FOR returning as little as possible for Rosario. The contradictory point of view would be in place for the Guardians.. That is.. the Guardians would absofuckingtively want the trade return to be someone who can help them now.. preferably, a younger player with plenty of control and/or cost certainty. This is where a deal either falls apart between two teams.. or a third team brings the right return to the Guardians (different day/different discussion)..

or..

..the deal is made with someone who has a guy who is near or ready now... and can help now.. but is blocked by a player that is performing well now..

Examples

Juan Yepez / Nolan Gorman... he ain't moving Arenado or Goldy off the corners..
William Contreras... he ain't moving d'Arnaud from behind the dish..
Drew Waters.... he ain't moving Acuna Jr from the lush green grass of Atlanta..
Jose Siri.... he ain't moving Tucker out of RF..
Ivan Herrera...
Andy Pages...
several others...

The list is endless... Being in favor of trading doesn't mean being against the guy being traded.. or of the belief the returnee is the answer to all questions.. It's the nature of baseball..

 

[sportscoach]

Keeping a guy who can hit.. runs well.. but doesn't necessarily pick it well with the leather is always a possibility.. but, the Guardians would have to live with the consequences that include the loss of the contribution / ability / performance of Rosario's internal replacement: Gabriel Arias

Considering the return to the Guardians from the italicized statement as it is assumed the trade partner to the Guardians would be all FOR returning as little as possible for Rosario. The contradictory point of view would be in place for the Guardians.. That is.. the Guardians would absofuckingtively want the trade return to be someone who can help them now.. preferably, a younger player with plenty of control and/or cost certainty. This is where a deal either falls apart between two teams.. or a third team brings the right return to the Guardians (different day/different discussion)..

or..

..the deal is made with someone who has a guy who is near or ready now... and can help now.. but is blocked by a player that is performing well now..

Examples

Juan Yepez / Nolan Gorman... he ain't moving Arenado or Goldy off the corners..
William Contreras... he ain't moving d'Arnaud from behind the dish..
Drew Waters.... he ain't moving Acuna Jr from the lush green grass of Atlanta..
Jose Siri.... he ain't moving Tucker out of RF..
Ivan Herrera...
Andy Pages...
several others...

The list is endless... Being in favor of trading doesn't mean being against the guy being traded.. or of the belief the returnee is the answer to all questions.. It's the nature of baseball..

You are taking what I said a bit out of context... They aren't willing to trade anything for Rosario if we are only asking for someone who can help them now, in my mind means, someone who is in the lineup/rotation and has proven themselves in the pros.

Siri is out since Baker liked him more than Straw, plus we had a couple chances to get him, but we didn't... He was DFA'd and we had the better waiver claim so we could have gotten him... plus no one on here actually even wanted him lol

Do the Braves, Cardinals, DBacks, Dodgers have a need or want for Amed? The answer is no, if we expect anything close to what we want for him. They aren't going to pay the same for him as the Nationals would since they at least need someone to play SS... Look at teams who actually may want him first and then give me what you think they are willing to give up for him.

 

[Gson]

You are taking what I said a bit out of context... They aren't willing to trade anything for Rosario if we are only asking for someone who can help them now, in my mind means, someone who is in the lineup/rotation and has proven themselves in the pros.

Siri is out since Baker liked him more than Straw, plus we had a couple chances to get him, but we didn't... He was DFA'd and we had the better waiver claim so we could have gotten him... plus no one on here actually even wanted him lol

Do the Braves, Cardinals, DBacks, Dodgers have a need or want for Amed? The answer is no, if we expect anything close to what we want for him. They aren't going to pay the same for him as the Nationals would since they at least need someone to play SS... Look at teams who actually may want him first and then give me what you think they are willing to give up for him.

In St Louis.. SS Paul De Jong is hitting a buck sixty seven while playing adequate to above average defense.. I'm sure they'd rather keep their minor league team's roster in tact.. smh..

 

[sportscoach]

In St Louis.. SS Paul De Jong is hitting a buck sixty seven while playing adequate to above average defense.. I'm sure they'd rather keep their minor league team's roster in tact.. smh..

Look at how much they owe him... 6 mil this year and 9 mil next season. Plus they have Edman and Sosa who can play SS... Sosa has very similar hitting numbers to Amed... They dont need Amed... look at the full roster my friend lol

 

[Gson]

Look at how much they owe him... 6 mil this year and 9 mil next season. Plus they have Edman and Sosa who can play SS... Sosa has very similar hitting numbers to Amed... They dont need Amed... look at the full roster my friend lol

It's not like they're cutting him.. and they do need someone at SS that can hit.. hhhmmm.. who fits that description?.. hhmmmm????

 

[sportscoach]

It's not like they're cutting him.. and they do need someone at SS that can hit.. hhhmmm.. who fits that description?.. hhmmmm????

Look at the roster... Sosa in 21 had very similar numbers to Amed... Edman also has a decent bat, one of them becomes the starter... Sosa had 3.2 WAR via baseball reference for 21 splitting time between SS and 2B.. He's just as good as Amed... He is the same age as well and not in arbitration yet... Sosa was hit on the wrist by a pitch, but it was negative and should be back to the lineup soon. Him or Edman will take DeJongs spot if he continues to struggle..

Why trade prospects for someone who isn't an upgrade over the player you already have on your roster...

 

[CDAV45]

It's not like they're cutting him.. and they do need someone at SS that can hit.. hhhmmm.. who fits that description?.. hhmmmm????

It doesn't match up on the BTV site which means exactly jack shit, but I would give Rosario for Yepez straight up. However, if I could get McGreevey and Yepez then I would throw a party. What say you?

 

[sportscoach]

It doesn't match up on the BTV site which means exactly jack shit, but I would give Rosario for Yepez straight up. However, if I could get McGreevey and Yepez then I would throw a party. What say you?

Would love it, but as I just said, the Cardinals dont want Rosario cause they have a guy with the last name of Sosa...

Though the Nationals likely would like Rosario...They don't have the blocked prospect like the Cardinals have... We can try and get Cole Henry, who is a solid pitching prospect and fits the Guardians style of pitcher... Otherwise its a 20 or under club from them, outside of Cronin, who is a lefty reliever...

Nationals Top Prospects

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Looking at the current market, only the Nationals and the Padres at the current moment may have a need for a SS... Nationals don't have depth/a great team, so they may not want to trade for Amed and the Padres don't have an absolute need since they are playing prospects at SS at the moment. His demand at the moment is not very high. We aren't going to get a bidding war for him so unless we take the offer from the Nationals, we best to wait until the trade deadline and hope for some injuries...

 

[DCTribefan]

Would love it, but as I just said, the Cardinals dont want Rosario cause they have a guy with the last name of Sosa...

Though the Nationals likely would like Rosario...They don't have the blocked prospect like the Cardinals have... We can try and get Cole Henry, who is a solid pitching prospect and fits the Guardians style of pitcher... Otherwise its a 20 or under club from them, outside of Cronin, who is a lefty reliever...

Nationals Top Prospects

The Official Site of Major League Baseball

www.mlb.com

Looking at the current market, only the Nationals and the Padres at the current moment may have a need for a SS... Nationals don't have depth/a great team, so they may not want to trade for Amed and the Padres don't have an absolute need since they are playing prospects at SS at the moment. His demand at the moment is not very high. We aren't going to get a bidding war for him so unless we take the offer from the Nationals, we best to wait until the trade deadline and hope for some injuries...

I’m still not seeing the Nats total rebuild as needing Ahmed.

 

[sportscoach]

I’m still not seeing the Nats total rebuild as needing Ahmed.

Amed is young and they could extend him, but if they are in contention, you could see them making a move to supplement the current roster, while if they are out, they have no reason in my mind to make the trade. If anything they should try and move the veterans they currently have. At the moment the two teams that could want him, one will only trade for him if they are in contention at the trade deadline, while the other is letting the prospects play, but have playoff hopes, so they would swap for him if the prospects havent been producing by the trade deadline. He has solid value via BTV but he isnt in demand at the current moment. That could change cause of injuries, but at the current moment, I cannot expect anything but the lotto ticket prospects back.

 

[Gson]

It doesn't match up on the BTV site which means exactly jack shit, but I would give Rosario for Yepez straight up. However, if I could get McGreevey and Yepez then I would throw a party. What say you?

Yeah.. I saw your posting.. McGreevey is a lot like Bieber when he was that age.. A good add in.. I agree, if Yepez is what he appears to be.. a straight up makes sense.. also

Yepez + Arias should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosario..

 

[sportscoach]

Yeah.. I saw your posting.. McGreevey is a lot like Bieber when he was that age.. A good add in.. I agree, if Yepez is what he appears to be.. a straight up makes sense.. also

Yepez + Arias should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosario..

We aren't getting Yepez for Rosario though...

 

[CATS44]

The St Louis model is elite inf defense behind an extreme ground ball rotation.

Their rotation career GB percentages are...

48
47
47
54
41

Shortstop is a defense first position.

Enough said.

 

[CDAV45]

If Rosario's defense isn't good enough to play SS then why is he playing SS for us and why would anyone be reluctant to deal him? If SS is a defense first position(I agree) then you should be pining for Arias because he has GG worthy defense at SS.

There is plenty to deal from so not making an attempt to get Yepez is silliness. Him on our roster makes too much sense. Would they prefer Gimenez? A SP? Prospects? a BP arm? If it's a reasonably fair/mild overpay deal then make it happen and I wouldn't wait until the deadline when other teams could be bidding for his services. The only reason for him not to come to Cleveland is not being available, and that is certainly a possibility.

 

[CDAV45]

Yeah.. I saw your posting.. McGreevey is a lot like Bieber when he was that age.. A good add in.. I agree, if Yepez is what he appears to be.. a straight up makes sense.. also

Yepez + Arias should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosario..

Type of SP prospect that Cleveland turns into a gem. Already fills the strike zone up and has 4 pretty good pitches. A couple of Cleveland tweaks and he's a FOR SP to plug in with Espino and Williams.