23 Offseason GM Thread

[CDAV45]

He's ranked 9 out of 9 when it comes to CF... Problem is the stat you want, most people don't qualify for either because of innings or games played at the position.

Offensively, he has never been one for the stat sheet in a sense. His first what 4 months with us, he had solid BA, OBP, Sprint Speed and SB... Next four, he sucked... the last one he was back to being solid...

I am not also spouting nonsense... Straw was top 10 in literally every single defensive category at a premium position in CF... If we got the Straw we saw last season and the first monthish of this season... the .280/.360/.380 guy, he would a premier CF in all of baseball...

Now, I am not saying we jumped the gun on the extension, because I think we did, that being stated Straw is the starting CF in 23... We are literally stuck with that notion...

Now come twoish months in and we are still seeing the .220 Straw, he will lose his everyday starting role... He will still play every single game in some capacity, but he will lose his starts... I am not against moving him on paper, but the FO of Cleveland is not open to moving him. We are stuck, whether or not we like it...

Ps. I also had Straw as an utility guy in OOTP since he can play 2B and SS as well. I don't think he is 100% a starter cause of his bat, but this FO and management say he is right now...

The Straw from last season was an outlier not the norm.

How do you know what they are willing to do or not to do? After all, Houston let him go. Does he have a market or did we get taken?

 

[sportscoach]

I personally believe Plesac is gone for 23 and that Rosario will be shopped. Bieber will be shopped if he doesn't sign an extension... now it doesn't mean either will be traded, just if there is a very good offer they could be dealt if not extended...

Bieber, TMac and Gimenez will all have extension talks...

 

[sportscoach]

The Straw from last season was an outlier not the norm.

How do you know what they are willing to do or not to do? After all, Houston let him go. Does he have a market or did we get taken?

His numbers last season, after we got him, weren't a whole lot better than his norms... Isn't it easier to hit normally, playing everyday instead of spot starting?

I am not exactly sure what Houston is doing with their CF, they traded Straw to keep Siri then they traded Siri the next season. They aren't finding any CF they actually like lol We didn't get taken and the market was definitely there before the 22 season started... Plus I think Houston wanted Yainer Diaz...

 

[Soar]

I personally believe Plesac is gone for 23 and that Rosario will be shopped. Bieber will be shopped if he doesn't sign an extension... now it doesn't mean either will be traded, just if there is a very good offer they could be dealt if not extended...

Bieber, TMac and Gimenez will all have extension talks...

Amed’s trade value is kind of hard to get a grasp on. You have Bogaerts, Correa, Swanson, and Turner as FAs.

Maybe a team that misses out on those guys might have some interest.

 

[sportscoach]

Amed’s trade value is kind of hard to get a grasp on. You have Bogaerts, Correa, Swanson, and Turner as FAs.

Maybe a team that misses out on those guys might have some interest.

You aren't wrong and if the market isn't there, Cleveland will keep Rosario. They aren't going to dump him at least. If they move him, they feel that got what they targeted back (I want a left handed relief pitcher with team control).

Maybe we should just sign Turner and call it a day in free agency? Lol Joking aside, it's likely Rosario, if he doesn't get moved quickly, when the season ends, he will be moved after those pieces fall...

 

[sportscoach]

Also why do people think Cleveland is remotely even thinking about trading Karinchak?

 

[Gson]

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What are you guys willing to give up for Varsho of the DBacks? Also, if he could play first, I think he would fit this team perfectly...

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From BTV his value is 88... would take a deal around Espino, one of Valera/Williams and twoish more players (I did Curry and Plesac). Would it be worth it to you guys?

price too high.. pass

 

[Gson]

Also why do people think Cleveland is remotely even thinking about trading Karinchak?

Karinchak is available for the right price/return. There are three guys who can replace him from the internal roster of hard throwing hounds.. (Plesac, Herrin, other)

but.. it comes down to an agreement on the return.. Example.. Edwin Diaz decides that the grass is greener in LA.. where the sun shines and the snow stays away.. leaving the Metropolitans without a closer.. A closer that was beat out by the BEST closer in the business (Clase) for a "bargain" might be of interest..

Furthermore, the Mets bargain might be found in a refusal of a staff ace to consider a contract extension and the need for "this" closer: Bieber plus Karinchak.. The "bargain".. might cost recent "under the knife" prospect Alvarez plus lottery tix...

It's a highly unlikely trade (< 2 chances in a 10,000).. but so are ALL trades until they happen..

Edit: So, whenever a pedantically proud commentor posts that a team isn't going to trade someone (prospect to staff ace).. it's already a known that it is highly unlikely.. but, that's the point of the trade site... There is no reason to repeat the same "already known" message, every time a trade is posted.... ad nauseum..

 

[Gson]

Also why do people think Cleveland is remotely even thinking about trading Karinchak?

btw.. if our GM could get a reasonable return value for Karinchak.. imho, his bags couldn't be put into a cab fast enough...

 

[Gson]

The discussion regarding Amed's trade potential.. is a bit simpler based solely on the consistent trade patterns of the CleFO & organization.. A player entering their last arbitration year/on the cusp of becoming a major league Free Agent are subject to trade. The CleFO has always given consideration to tying up guys they want to keep well in advance of their free agency. There are only a few examples of the club holding onto the player to and through them becoming free agents (CC Sabathia is perhaps the most notable).. Amed has value.. he's a good player. There is a likelihood he'll be shopped based upon the CleFO value/return model.. if the return meets the value, the Guardians will make a deal.. if the return doesn't, he'll be back..

The key to this.. a very few number of people/insiders know what that value is..

imho, trading Amed for a specific return.. can and should be done.. Amed for Yepez, as an example.. but, not the only example..

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

The discussion regarding Amed's trade potential.. is a bit simpler based solely on the consistent trade patterns of the CleFO & organization.. A player entering their last arbitration year/on the cusp of becoming a major league Free Agent are subject to trade. The CleFO has always given consideration to tying up guys they want to keep well in advance of their free agency. There are only a few examples of the club holding onto the player to and through them becoming free agents (CC Sabathia is perhaps the most notable).. Amed has value.. he's a good player. There is a likelihood he'll be shopped based upon the CleFO value/return model.. if the return meets the value, the Guardians will make a deal.. if the return doesn't, he'll be back..

The key to this.. a very few number of people/insiders know what that value is..

imho, trading Amed for a specific return.. can and should be done.. Amed for Yepez, as an example.. but, not the only example..

We traded CC to the Brewers for the package based around Matt LaPorta (and a certain PTBNL that turned out to be Michael Brantley). We didn't hold onto him through him becoming a free agent.

 

[petes999]

For all the people who want to get rid of Straw, the question is who do you replace him with? Yes, you can try to get Varsho but I think other teams will be on him too if he was really tradable (CF is a big need around the league). If you take out Judge from this CF list from FG, Straw had the 10th best overall WAR (off+def). If you platoon him with Brennan and as a late CF-sub, you start to maximize his value. And, yes, the list only goes to 14 (so near the bottom too). But, Bryan Reynolds only had a 2.9 WAR this year vs Straw 2.0 WAR. Just trying to show that if FO emphasizes defense up the middle, you are not going to get that much better than Straw for what you got to give up. Sorry, I am holding onto the Big 3 pitchers as Yankees also showed how a Cole or Cortes can shut down a lineup (and Varsho being like 4th-6th best CF -- in a league that needs more of them, it will be a bidding war).

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[Gson]

We traded CC to the Brewers for the package based around Matt LaPorta (and a certain PTBNL that turned out to be Michael Brantley)

CC was kept on for the purpose of playing out his remaining contract/control.. it was only after the team was hopelessly out of contention that the CC trade was made.. perhaps more context would have been illuminating...

 

[sportscoach]

btw.. if our GM could get a reasonable return value for Karinchak.. imho, his bags couldn't be put into a cab fast enough...

Almost every player is available if the price is right... They aren't going to get a good enough deal for it to make sense...

 

[sportscoach]

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Small trade idea... Moving Palacios for BPA. I am thinking the Rangers so moving him for someone like Bratt, I think would be in Cleveland's best interest... Not sure exactly who Texas is willing to give up... Could try OF Osuna or SS Cueva as well...