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CDAV45 said:
I think a more accurate assessment would be to take the top 25% of their hard hit balls and compare those exit velocities. OGon hits the ball a lot harder than Amed when it's barreled up. Hell, he hit as many HR as Amed in what, half the AB's?
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A lot harder, no. I don't have top 25% but for max we're talking about 111.5 MPH (71 percentile) for Amed versus 113.3 MPH (91 percentile) for Oscar. For average we've got 42 percentile for Oscar (88.6) and 39 percentile for Amed (88.3). I must've looked at it in reverse when I said Amed's average was higher but the point is they're roughly equal. Oscar isn't really getting to that huge raw power he has in games on a consistent basis. And if you're putting balls (not strikes) in play you generally aren't going to be connecting for lots of your natural power and pitchers probably know this.

In 2022, Oscar's furthest HR was 433 ft, while Amed's was 450 ft. I don't doubt that Oscar can hit it 450 or more but he just hasn't yet.

The main difference I see for Oscar that enables him to hit more HRs is Amed hits too many fly balls to CF while Oscar is more pull happy. So I do think he will continue hitting HRs at a significantly higher rate due to abusing the shorter left field wall, but the two are generally otherwise very similar hitters. Bat-to-ball, undisciplined, with raw pop that isn't totally harvested. Oscar is just a little more extreme.
 
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Oscar and Amed have the largest effective strike zones I've ever seen since Manny Sanguillen.
 
KluberSociety said:
A lot harder, no. I don't have top 25% but for max we're talking about 111.5 MPH (71 percentile) for Amed versus 113.3 MPH (91 percentile) for Oscar. For average we've got 42 percentile for Oscar (88.6) and 39 percentile for Amed (88.3). I must've looked at it in reverse when I said Amed's average was higher but the point is they're roughly equal. Oscar isn't really getting to that huge raw power he has in games on a consistent basis. And if you're putting balls (not strikes) in play you generally aren't going to be connecting for lots of your natural power and pitchers probably know this.

In 2022, Oscar's furthest HR was 433 ft, while Amed's was 450 ft. I don't doubt that Oscar can hit it 450 or more but he just hasn't yet.

The main difference I see for Oscar that enables him to hit more HRs is Amed hits too many fly balls to CF while Oscar is more pull happy. So I do think he will continue hitting HRs at a significantly higher rate due to abusing the shorter left field wall, but the two are generally otherwise very similar hitters. Bat-to-ball, undisciplined, with raw pop that isn't totally harvested. Oscar is just a little more extreme.
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Very reasonable explanation to me KS. Although I think Amed's swing requires a lot more effort than OGon's and that could be where there is room for OGon to hit more long balls as he settles in.
 
MadThinker88 said:
Always felt that title went to Vlad G Sr...
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Vlad Sr. hit pitches hard that were going to land in the dirt or back stop. The other player like him I can remember since Sr. retiring is prime Pablo Kung Fu Panda Sandoval in his prime in SF.

I think many underestimate many hitters of the 90's and 00's due to the steroid era. With Maddux and other pitchers getting pitches called 3+ inches off the plate on a regular basis, the batter's strike zone had to be extended quite a bit compared to today. Angel Hernandez umpired games withstanding.
 
This clears 2 spots off the 40-man -
Marlins get:
Rocchio and Palacios
G's get:
Jacob Berry 3B/OF Played at LSU 6th pick on the 22 draft.

Marlins get some immediate help.
G's can afford to wait.
 
Does Rengifo's 405/425/811/1.236 and 4 HR spring take him out of any possible deals with us? Would have loved to see him, Arias and Gimenez in the lineup. Oh well, wish in one hand......
 
CDAV45 said:
Does Rengifo's 405/425/811/1.236 and 4 HR spring take him out of any possible deals with us? Would have loved to see him, Arias and Gimenez in the lineup. Oh well, wish in one hand......
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If we didn't have Rosario then it would be possible...
 
sportscoach said:
If we didn't have Rosario then it would be possible...
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Not even bringing that into the discussion. My point was that he's probably not available now and the time to make a deal for him has passed. I love his style of play and abilities. He's kind of a JRam lite. Short, stout and strong with good athleticism. He would have fit in real nice here and if you want a bat that mashes LHP then he would have been the one to target. Now it appears his LH swing has caught up to the right side. Anyway, I've like him for awhile now and thought that he was a good breakout candidate that would fit our roster nicely.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
This clears 2 spots off the 40-man -
Marlins get:
Rocchio and Palacios
G's get:
Jacob Berry 3B/OF Played at LSU 6th pick on the 22 draft.

Marlins get some immediate help.
G's can afford to wait.
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the three letters, one number and one slash line are there for no apparent reason.. As a 3B or corner OF'er or 1B.. or.. any other spot with a glove is hopeful at best.. He's fundamentally a bat (and damn good one) without a defensive spot that he could or should play.. If the Guardians are waiting for him to develop a defensive spot, DH would be the best spot..

That said.. this is still a good deal for the roster spots and the Berry Bat..
 
Gson said:
the three letters, one number and one slash line are there for no apparent reason.. As a 3B or corner OF'er or 1B.. or.. any other spot with a glove is hopeful at best.. He's fundamentally a bat (and damn good one) without a defensive spot that he could or should play.. If the Guardians are waiting for him to develop a defensive spot, DH would be the best spot..

That said.. this is still a good deal for the roster spots and the Berry Bat..
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I just don't see Cleveland moving Rocchio right now...

I'd lean more towards Tena and Palacios being the ones being dealt...
 
sportscoach said:
I just don't see Cleveland moving Rocchio right now...

I'd lean more towards Tena and Palacios being the ones being dealt...
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I think Freeman is more likely dealt than Rocchio in a deal like that. If Rocchio is dealt it will be for a significant ML piece IMO.
 
CDAV45 said:
I think Freeman is more likely dealt than Rocchio in a deal like that. If Rocchio is dealt it will be for a significant ML piece IMO.
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IMO, I think the way they clear the roster spots may give a clue to the future. They DID begin negotiations with Amed. If they feel that further negotiations could reach a deal, then I feel Freeman or Rocchio may be dealt. If they feel the sides are too far apart, they may go another way (Lavastida). Either way Palacious is on thin ice.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
IMO, I think the way they clear the roster spots may give a clue to the future. They DID begin negotiations with Amed. If they feel that further negotiations could reach a deal, then I feel Freeman or Rocchio may be dealt. If they feel the sides are too far apart, they may go another way (Lavastida). Either way Palacious is on thin ice.
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How do you know they DID begin negotiations with Amed. That's contrary to what I've heard. Why would they with the MIF depth and talent in the system?

I don't feel Rocchio is going anywhere unless it is in a package for a significant ML piece. I could be wrong though.

I agree that Palacios is on thin ice and probably not long(pun intended for @Lee) for this team.
 
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