All-Time Indians RCF Fantasy Draft

[Kevalier]

With my back to back selections, I choose the following players:



Dennis “El Presidente” Martinez-SP



Travis Fryman-3B

 

[Stark]

@PIP is on the clock

 

[Urban]

Danny Salazar has the same amount of all-star appearances as Carlos Carrasco, Mike Clevinger, and Trevor Bauer combined.

Jason Kipnis and Jose Ramirez are tied in all-star appearances.

Obviously your better players will tend to make more all star games over a long career, but I don’t measure who a better player is based on that.

And when comparing across eras, Hegan played when there were only 8 teams in the AL.

 

[PIP]

My next pick is Cliff Lee

 

[Stark]

My next pick is Cliff Lee

Damn you, that was my pick.

@daddywags is on the clock, @sportscoach is on deck

 

[JDailey23]

Damn you, that was my pick.

@daddywags is on the clock, @sportscoach is on deck

Fuck Cliff Lee and his shitty ass in 2007 living in the minors while making the ALCS, then having a CY Young worthy 2008.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

How did Dennis Martinez go before Cliff Lee (and CC)?

Shit, didn't Wright have at least one year that was better than Martinez?

 

[Derek]

How did Dennis Martinez go before Cliff Lee (and CC)?

Shit, didn't Wright have at least one year that was better than Martinez?

No, Wright’s was surprisingly not great even at his best with us.

El Presidente gave us two very good seasons, and a mediocre third.

 

[Derek]

For those curious, Jaret Wright's 3 full(ish) season with the Indians:

1997 - 16 G 4.38 ERA 1.3 fWAR
1998 - 32 G 4.72 ERA 2.1 fWAR
1999 - 26 G 6.06 ERA 1.0 fWAR

Dennis Martinez's 3 seasons (2 were strike shortened):

1994: 24 G 3.52 ERA 3.6 fWAR
1995: 28 G 3.08 ERA 3.3 fWAR
1996: 20 G 4.50 ERA 1.5 fWAR

 

[daddywags]

With my 8th pick I'll select Elmer Flick. It's hard to pick hitters from the dead ball era and I know he's a fringe Hall of Famer but he is in the Hall and he has impressive numbers.

In four seasons from 1904-07 he was top 4 in the league every year in BA, OBP, SLG%, OPS, Off WAR, position player WAR, triples, stolen bases and Adjusted OPS+. His wRC+ was 155, 163, 150 and 152 and fWAR was 6.6, 5.7, 6.7 and 6.1. You could pick any of those years but I like 1905 when he led the league in BA, OPS, OPS+, offensive WAR, triples and adjusted OPS+. He was second in on base percentage, stole 35 bases and had 18 outfield assists. All time for the Tribe he's 3rd in triples, 7th in adjusted OPS+, and 15th in offensive WAR.

He'll be my leadoff man. So my order so far goes - Flick, Sewell, Jackson, Rosen, tba, Gordon.

I think @sportscoach is up.

 

[jack hammill]

With my 8th pick I'll select Elmer Flick. It's hard to pick hitters from the dead ball era and I know he's a fringe Hall of Famer but he is in the Hall and he has impressive numbers.

In four seasons from 1904-07 he was top 4 in the league every year in BA, OBP, SLG%, OPS, Off WAR, position player WAR, triples, stolen bases and Adjusted OPS+. His wRC+ was 155, 163, 150 and 152 and fWAR was 6.6, 5.7, 6.7 and 6.1. You could pick any of those years but I like 1905 when he led the league in BA, OPS, OPS+, offensive WAR, triples and adjusted OPS+. He was second in on base percentage, stole 35 bases and had 18 outfield assists. All time for the Tribe he's 3rd in triples, 7th in adjusted OPS+, and 15th in offensive WAR.

He'll be my leadoff man. So my order so far goes - Flick, Sewell, Jackson, Rosen, tba, Gordon.

I think @sportscoach is up.

Love the pick but only WAR that meant anything in those days was fought with guns

 

[Derek]

Love the pick but only WAR that meant anything in those days was fought with guns

While the measure wasn't used until more recently, it's helpful to apply it to other eras, so that you can measure a player vs their league environment. In Flick's case especially, it makes him look more impressive than his raw numbers would suggest.

 

[sportscoach]

I totally forgot it was my turn! Lol

My next pick will be....

2B Bobby Avila

 

[Stark]

Wanted to get another great starter, so with my 8th round pick, the Wailing Wahoos select Trevor Bauer, Starting Pitcher.



Career w/ CLE: 2013-2019
Career Stats w/ CLE: 67-53, 3.83 ERA, 1094 K, 3.91 FIP, 1.28 WHIP, 16.6 WAR, 1x All-Star

Love him or hate him, Trevor Bauer has been one of the most polarizing Indians of the 21st century. His surface numbers don't look great, so I'm going to highlight Bauer's 2018 season as far and away his best with the Indians and choose that version of him to have for my squad.

In 2018, Bauer finished with a 12-6 record, 2.21 ERA, 2.44 FIP, 1.09 WHIP, 221 K, 198 ERA+, 0.5 HR/9, 6.9 H/9, 11.3 K/9, and 5.7 WAR over 175.1 IP in 28 games pitched. He finished 6th in the Cy Young voting, 22nd in MVP voting, and was an all-star as well. His FIP and HR/9 rates led the American League that season. He likely would have had far higher finishes in both the Cy Young and MVP voting, but a fibula injury robbed him of some appearances down the stretch for the Indians.

Bauer had some of the best pure stuff in Indians history, and control and attitude issues in my opinion kept him from being the flat out ace he was capable of here, outside of his flat out dominant 2018 campaign. Still, slotting Bauer in as the #3 guy in my rotation behind Corey Kluber and Sam McDowell gives me a great top-3.

SP - Corey Kluber
SP - Sam McDowell
SP - Trevor Bauer
CP - Andrew Miller

CF - Grady Sizemore
SS - Omar Vizquel
RF - Albert Belle
3B - Jose Ramirez

Draft board is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vhOOAVnG0Q_8Iol125TTlzYdmgpyBo2v3oz28mybcD4/edit#gid=0

@JDailey23 is on the clock for back to back picks

 

[JDailey23]

RD8. Brooke Jacoby
RD9. Charles Nagy

Sorry for the delay guys.