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All-Time Indians RCF Fantasy Draft
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Players must have been on the Indians for at least three seasons (according to baseball-reference) to be selected. No Josh Donaldson, Jay Bruce, or Leonys Martins here. A guy like Andrew Miller would be fine though, even though he wasn't here for three full seasons. As long as the baseball-reference statistic says CLE (3 yrs), it flies with me.
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Well shit. Hold on
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Late 80's/early 90's Julio Franco was a badass. Unfortunate that his best seasons came for the Rangers.
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Hard to say as it’s subjective. Manny had a couple ridiculous seasons. Albert and Juan-Gone had great seasons.
The best player I’ve ever seen play in an Indians uniform is Roberto Alomar from 2001. Total package ! Offense/Defense
His 1999 was phenomenal as well.
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According to both baseball reference and fangraphs, Lou Boudreau in 1948 accumulated the most WAR for a position player in Indians history.
Looking solely at hitting, Jim Thome posted the highest single-season wRC+ in 2002
For pitchers, it's a little trickier since WAR is an accumulated measure, so the guys who pitched 300+ innings have a clear advantage over those now pitching in the low 200's.
According to fangraphs though:
'46 Bob Feller, 10.0 in 371.1 IP
'69 Sam McDowell, 9.4 in 285 IP
'68 Luis Tiant, 7.4 in 258.1 IP
'17 Corey Kluber, 7.2 in 203.2 IP
Those are the most impressive by the naked eye
From baseball reference:
'46 Bob Feller - 10.0
'68 Luis Tiant - 8.5
'14 Corey Kluber - 8.3
'70 Sam McDowell - 8.3
For strictly modern day players (I chose 1975 as an arbitrary start date), 2018 Jose Ramirez had the most WAR of any position player according to fangraphs with '06 Grady Sizemore, '18 Francisco Lindor, and '99 Manny Ramirez not far behind. After that you get '93 Lofton and '99 Robbie Alomar @PIP
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Julio Franco also doesn't know how to quit baseball and was playing in Korea as a player/coach until a couple seasons ago! lol
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Between three different guys here (I wanted Franco bad, knew I should've taken him over Gomes since Dailey already had a catcher), but with my 11th round pick, the Wailing Wahoos select Tito Francona, outfielder.
Career w/ CLE: 1959-1964
Career Stats w/ CLE: .284 BA, .789 OPS, 85 HR, 153 2B, 656 RBI, 19 3B, 11.4 WAR, 1x All-Star
Tito had a good yet unspectacular career in the big leagues. He only accumulated 14.0 WAR over 15 MLB seasons with nine different seasons. His best years definitely did come in Cleveland though, and his 1959 season was one of the greatest by an Indian outfielder in his era.
In 1959, Tito slashed .363/.414/.566/.980 with 20 HR, 79 RBI, 17 2B, 171 OPS+, and 4.8 WAR (34% of his career WAR came this season) while finishing 5th in AL MVP voting. Surprisingly, this was not the year that Tito was an all-star with the Indians (1961). Francona only played 122 games that season and was still able to accumulate 145 hits. Defensive metrics don't look particularly kind to Tito throughout his entire career, so as of right now, he's going to slot in as my left fielder with a chance to move to designated hitter or first base (3630 career innings at 1B) if I find a better defensive outfielder down the line.
I think my lineup is really starting to round into form at this point in the draft: Sizemore (CF), Vizquel (SS), Ramirez (3B), Belle (RF), Francona (LF), Thornton (1B), Gomes (C).
Draft board is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vhOOAVnG0Q_8Iol125TTlzYdmgpyBo2v3oz28mybcD4/edit#gid=0
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Career w/ CLE: 1959-1964
Career Stats w/ CLE: .284 BA, .789 OPS, 85 HR, 153 2B, 656 RBI, 19 3B, 11.4 WAR, 1x All-Star
Tito had a good yet unspectacular career in the big leagues. He only accumulated 14.0 WAR over 15 MLB seasons with nine different seasons. His best years definitely did come in Cleveland though, and his 1959 season was one of the greatest by an Indian outfielder in his era.
In 1959, Tito slashed .363/.414/.566/.980 with 20 HR, 79 RBI, 17 2B, 171 OPS+, and 4.8 WAR (34% of his career WAR came this season) while finishing 5th in AL MVP voting. Surprisingly, this was not the year that Tito was an all-star with the Indians (1961). Francona only played 122 games that season and was still able to accumulate 145 hits. Defensive metrics don't look particularly kind to Tito throughout his entire career, so as of right now, he's going to slot in as my left fielder with a chance to move to designated hitter or first base (3630 career innings at 1B) if I find a better defensive outfielder down the line.
I think my lineup is really starting to round into form at this point in the draft: Sizemore (CF), Vizquel (SS), Ramirez (3B), Belle (RF), Francona (LF), Thornton (1B), Gomes (C).
Draft board is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vhOOAVnG0Q_8Iol125TTlzYdmgpyBo2v3oz28mybcD4/edit#gid=0
@sportscoach is on the clock
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hmm.....
RF Shin-Soo Choo is my pick!
Now to update my roster thing...
Position guys
CF Tris Speaker
CF(LF) Earl Averill
RF Shin-Soo Choo
DH/1B/C Carlos Santana
1B Hal Trosky
2B Bobby Avila
SS Lou Boudreau
C Jim Hegan
Pitchers
SP Addie Joss
SP Mike Clevinger
SP Greg Swindell
@daddywags you are now on the clock!
RF Shin-Soo Choo is my pick!
Now to update my roster thing...
Position guys
CF Tris Speaker
CF(LF) Earl Averill
RF Shin-Soo Choo
DH/1B/C Carlos Santana
1B Hal Trosky
2B Bobby Avila
SS Lou Boudreau
C Jim Hegan
Pitchers
SP Addie Joss
SP Mike Clevinger
SP Greg Swindell
@daddywags you are now on the clock!
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Okay, with my 11th pick I'll round out my top 4 starters by selecting Early Wynn.
In 10 seasons with the Tribe he won 164 games against 102 losses and only once failed to pitch 200+ innings. He is 5th all time in wins and 7th in pitchers WAR in Indians history. Between 1951-56 he won 20 or more games four times in six seasons and 17 in each of the other two, going 120-65 overall.
In 1956 he went 20-9 with a 2.72 ERA, 135 ERA+, 18 complete games, 4 shutouts, 272 IP, a 1.167 WHIP and also threw in 2 saves for good measure. He led the league in WAR for pitchers (7.8), was second in wins, IP, shutouts and WHIP, third in ERA and ERA+, and fourth in FIP (3.18).
So my starters are: Coveleski, Lemon, Tiant and Wynn.
I think @PIP is up next.
In 10 seasons with the Tribe he won 164 games against 102 losses and only once failed to pitch 200+ innings. He is 5th all time in wins and 7th in pitchers WAR in Indians history. Between 1951-56 he won 20 or more games four times in six seasons and 17 in each of the other two, going 120-65 overall.
In 1956 he went 20-9 with a 2.72 ERA, 135 ERA+, 18 complete games, 4 shutouts, 272 IP, a 1.167 WHIP and also threw in 2 saves for good measure. He led the league in WAR for pitchers (7.8), was second in wins, IP, shutouts and WHIP, third in ERA and ERA+, and fourth in FIP (3.18).
So my starters are: Coveleski, Lemon, Tiant and Wynn.
I think @PIP is up next.