• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

Andre Drummond - LeBron's Robin

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
cabs said:
Not saying this is remotely realistic but this works on espn trade machine:
Mavs get: Love + Drummond
Cavs get: Hardaway + Johnson + Powell + Green

Just trying to replenish our Aussie stock that took a recent hit
Click to expand...
Anything to replenish the Aussie stock
 
Cavs have a dilemma brewing.

Through 13 games this is the best defensive team in the league and hes the best defender.

Legit DPOY candidate and should be an all-star.

This isnt gonna be a real easy decision. They didnt give up a ton for Allen so he needs to come in and ball out.
 
Soar said:
33 and 23.

That's pretty hard to do.
Click to expand...
Six times in 50 years for this franchise. Most guys capable of scoring 30 are not big rebounders. Most big rebounders don't score much. It takes so much energy to bang the boards and get 20+ rebounds in an NBA game that there's not much left on the offensive end. But Drummond is in great condition (he mentioned it after the game) and can work hard on both ends.

Getting a 30 and 20 is like combining a great game from Steph Curry with a great game from Tristan Thompson. You just don't see it from the same player.

By the way, Drummond had a 26/24 game in the loss to the Bucks a week ago. He had six turnovers that game, but only two last night in 40 minutes. I don't expect him to do it again, though, because once Allen is available Drummond will never play 40 minutes or even 35.

In addition to the points and rebounds he also played great defense. It's not like he rested on defense and got hot from the 3-point line on offense. Every point he scored he had to work for as well as every rebound and he still hustled his butt off on defense. He impacted the game in every way. I'm sure a lot of GM's, when they see the box score of last night's game, are going to order up the game tape and take a look.
 
Alec Zander said:
Allen: two 20 rebound games in first 3 seasons. One 20/20 game.

drummond: eighteen 20 rebound games in first three seasons. 83 in his career
Click to expand...
Yes, but Allen is low usage player who takes far fewer shots. He's shooting 67% from the field this year while Drummond is at 47%.
 
Derek said:
WCS is playing really well for Dallas right now. Even if they were to find a way to acquire Drummond, I don't think they'd want to give him up. Plus, he can't be traded until Feb. 5 and even then he has the right to block a trade. I think your best hope to get Drummond out of Cleveland is a buyout.

Are posts on a message board not meant to be responded to?
Click to expand...
I must say you are extremely well informed. Or you have the time to do a lot of research.

Why would the Cavs want to buy Drummond out? He's playing great and they think he can help Allen and he said he's willing to do it. Not to mention that with COVID surging (including new, more contagious strains arriving) everybody is going to need depth. Heck, we just had our next two games postponed due to COVID.

Not to mention excessive injuries due in part to the long layoff, a short training camp, and a compressed schedule.

Our owner is worth something like $35 billion; it's not like he needs to save a few bucks. Also, why would Drummond take a buyout? Is there another team out there with enough cap space that would sign him and make it more financially advantageous? Plus, he loves it here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't buyouts normally given to guys who are not playing and who nobody wants or can afford to trade for at their current salary? The player accepts the buyout to get the chance to sign as a free agent with a team where he will get playing time in exchange for a small reduction in salary or maybe a wash. Drummond doesn't fit that profile.
 
I think the play is to keep Drummond starting this year and bring Allen off the bench. We can keep both their minutes down. We then let Drummond expire, SnT him to whatever team he wants to go to, and extend Allen. You tell Drummond "this is your chance to get the big deal. Just play elite D for us for the next few months and we will help you get where you want to go"
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I must say you are extremely well informed. Or you have the time to do a lot of research.

Why would the Cavs want to buy Drummond out? He's playing great and they think he can help Allen and he said he's willing to do it. Not to mention that with COVID surging (including new, more contagious strains arriving) everybody is going to need depth. Heck, we just had our next two games postponed due to COVID.

Not to mention excessive injuries due in part to the long layoff, a short training camp, and a compressed schedule.

Our owner is worth something like $35 billion; it's not like he needs to save a few bucks. Also, why would Drummond take a buyout? Is there another team out there with enough cap space that would sign him and make it more financially advantageous? Plus, he loves it here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't buyouts normally given to guys who are not playing and who nobody wants or can afford to trade for at their current salary? The player accepts the buyout to get the chance to sign as a free agent with a team where he will get playing time in exchange for a small reduction in salary or maybe a wash. Drummond doesn't fit that profile.
Click to expand...

I don't think they want to. But he isn't easy to trade given the size of his salary as it is hard for teams to have pieces and parts to match it.

Plus I don't think the Cavs want to take on crazy salary with multiple years without getting some kind of good asset because we want to keep our flexibility for future trades or even signings. Teams also might not want to give up a good young asset for Drummond since he can walk at the end of the year.

Buyout might mutually beneficial for all parties if the Cavs truly can't find a workable trade for him. Drummond buyout market would be insane. Players of his caliber are not traditional buyout signings.
 
cabs said:
Not saying this is remotely realistic but this works on espn trade machine:
Mavs get: Love + Drummond
Cavs get: Hardaway + Johnson + Powell + Green

Just trying to replenish our Aussie stock that took a recent hit
Click to expand...
So Drummond, Hardaway, and Johnson are free agents after this season while Green is under contract next year for $3 million. He's a 19yo shooting guard averaging 9 minutes a game who would be buried behind Sexton, Porter, and maybe even Dotson.

So going into next year we would be out from under Love's contract, saving $60 million over the next two years while the Mavericks would save $22 million on Johnson over two years and $2 million on Green. They would take on a net of $36 million over the next two years but would have Love instead of Green.

The only reason they would make this deal is if they think it puts them in position to go to the Finals this season. A lineup of Drummond at C, Porzingas and Love at PF, Doncic and Richardson at guard, and I have no idea who at SF but maybe they trade us a draft pick for Cedi would be pretty formidable.

I don't know if they would be willing to sacrifice the future for the present and I don't know about the viability of having Porzingas and Love on the same team since they play the same position. They're both making $30 million the next two seasons. I think they would prefer to work something out where they get Drummond but not Love and keep Hardaway, giving them a starting lineup of Drummond, Porzingas, Hardaway, Doncic, and Richardson.

But I don't see why the Cavs would trade Drummond if they don't get anything of value beyond this season. If they could dump Love's contract it would be worth it but I don't see the Mavs taking it on even if they can get Drummond and get out of Powell's deal in the process.
 
Dallas's first round picks are tied up until 2025. The earliest first rounder they can trade is 2027, and I'm not even sure it's allowed to go that far out.
 
I just came in to say that Drummond shat on my hatred. What a game.
It is a dilemma indeed. Some team with finals aspirations might want him if they get an injury, so a trade is still a possibility. Let’s just revisit this in 3 weeks to see how the new players adapt and if Drummond can keep taking the right shots while keeping the turnovers down.
 
If they want to keep Drummond, even with Love and Allen, they can. Gilbert would just have to start paying the tax again, which he might end up doing with or without Drummond.

Drummond played great last night when he was the team's best option for scoring. He's done that a couple times since Garland and Sexton went down. The issue is when he plays with them, he's not the best or second best option for scoring, yet he'll take more shots than both of them. If he can figure out a way to play winning basketball with the better players on the team, then I'm sure I would talk myself into trying to keep him. I need to see that play out though.
 
I'm always very worried about paying a guy in a contract year. This is the best he's ever looked defensively as far as I know. How much weight do you give that its a contract year?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-14: "Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:14: " Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey."
Top