Batman vs Superman spoilers thread

[Jack Brickman]

see: Spider-Man..

AFAIK, this is how it works at this point:

Sony still retains the rights to profits from standalone Spider-Man films. So, Spider-Man: Homecoming is still a Sony product, that they will profit from, even though it's being made by Marvel; unlike the previous iterations.

20th Century Fox owns the rights to the Fantastic Four, the Silver Surfer, the X-Men, and Deadpool; but there is no reason they can't carbon copy the Marvel/Sony deal if it works out. Spider-Man's standalone film will be the blueprint for all of these deals.

I think Fox is well aware of the fact that the fans want a unified MCU, and don't care about who profits from the films. Marvel's terms with Sony should be very amicable for Fox as well.

Right, but I thought it made sense with Spider-Man because the second movie underperformed, and thus Sony had a reason to make the deal. That hasn't really been the case for the X-Men films. They've all done well and most (aside from the awful first Wolverine movie) have been met with good fan reception.

 

[gourimoko]

Right, but I thought it made sense with Spider-Man because the second movie underperformed, and thus Sony had a reason to make the deal. That hasn't really been the case for the X-Men films. They've all done well and most (aside from the awful first Wolverine movie) have been met with good fan reception.

Because Fox minimizes the risk associated with making the films. By licensing back the franchise rights to Marvel for cross-over films while retaining the profits from the stand-alone films, they only lose creative control and only for a short-period.

With Hugh Jackman likely done, and the X-Men series going into the Apocalypse phase, the risk associated with a future film may be much higher than the upcoming one.

So unless Fox believes they can do better than Marvel at making these movies, I don't think it makes sense for them to reject such a proposal.

I think the question here isn't if Fox would do it, but would Marvel. The risk is their's given they need to creatively produce the standalone films without as much financial incentive. They'd very likely prefer to simply buy the rights back, and since Marvel is now Disney, it's not as though they don't have the capital to do so.

 

[Man Called X]

see: Spider-Man..

AFAIK, this is how it works at this point:

Sony still retains the rights to profits from standalone Spider-Man films. So, Spider-Man: Homecoming is still a Sony product, that they will profit from, even though it's being made by Marvel; unlike the previous iterations.

20th Century Fox owns the rights to the Fantastic Four, the Silver Surfer, the X-Men, and Deadpool; but there is no reason they can't carbon copy the Marvel/Sony deal if it works out. Spider-Man's standalone film will be the blueprint for all of these deals.

I think Fox is well aware of the fact that the fans want a unified MCU, and don't care about who profits from the films. Marvel's terms with Sony should be very amicable for Fox as well.

If I had to bet, the rumors are probably true. The Inhumans movie has been shelved indefinitely, with the entire Terrigen Mist storyline not selling worth a damn in the comics. Marvel's attempt to kill the X-Men in the comics has bit them in the ass in that dept, and I'm sure there's going to be a massive event to bring some back.

Plus, Marvel and Fox already have a deal to work on 2 TV series (Legion and I believe Hellfire Club) together featuring some X characters.

 

[brownindian]

And DC is...going in the opposite direction...

I thought DC did great with the Batman trilogy. But from then on, the quality has been decreasing. I hope James Wan is still in the Aquaman project.

 

[Derek]

Would be a great way to introduce Venom...

I've read rumors that this X-Men movie will be the last before Marvel reboots the X-Men within the MCU; and I see no reason the FF wouldn't follow suit given how poorly such a great franchise has done over the years.

Also the MSP (Magneto, Storm, Psylocke) lineup for the Horsemen in the upcoming movie is quite hilarious for anyone who is familiar with the Marvel fighting games; that was one of the best teams in the game, btw.

I'm not even a big F4 fan, but they would just bring so much to the universe. Reed Richards is such a complex and intriguing character, and the F4 storyline during Civil War was great. It's too bad they couldn't get anything done previously because Reed had a huge role at Tony's side. Plus, they have a couple of Marvel's best villains, including the GOAT, Victor Von Doom.

X-Men speaks for itself. They are a huge property unto their own, and it would be really interesting to see how they would fit into the MCU.

 

[gourimoko]

I'm not even a big F4 fan, but they would just bring so much to the universe. Reed Richards is such a complex and intriguing character, and the F4 storyline during Civil War was great. It's too bad they couldn't get anything done previously because Reed had a huge role at Tony's side. Plus, they have a couple of Marvel's best villains, including the GOAT, Victor Von Doom.

X-Men speaks for itself. They are a huge property unto their own, and it would be really interesting to see how they would fit into the MCU.

I'm a big fan of FF4 and Reed Richards in particular. He's the world's most brilliant man, and as you said, Doom is a villain that is worth of his own Avengers film. Spider-Man ties in with the FF so well, it's a great synergetic crossover for both teams.

With the new Doc Strange moving looking like it's going to be particularly badass, I'd love to see the same treatment for a classic interpretation of Richards/Doom.

 

[Derek]

I'm a big fan of FF4 and Reed Richards in particular. He's the world's most brilliant man, and as you said, Doom is a villain that is worth of his own Avengers film. Spider-Man ties in with the FF so well, it's a great synergetic crossover for both teams.

With the new Doc Strange moving looking like it's going to be particularly badass, I'd love to see the same treatment for a classic interpretation of Richards/Doom.

It's honestly amazing that Fox has managed to fail with Doom TWICE. He's a gold mine. Not only can he take on the Avengers, F4, and co, but he'll help them against other villains if it best suits his interests.

 

[gourimoko]

It's honestly amazing that Fox has managed to fail with Doom TWICE. He's a gold mine. Not only can he take on the Avengers, F4, and co, but he'll help them against other villains if it best suits his interests.

He's the greatest, most versatile villain in all of comics. The problem is that Fox has put directors in charge of the franchise that don't like comic books; so, in their mind, Doctor Doom is "too far out there." So, instead, let's make him a an internet troll/blogger - that's more "believable."

What's more believable, an online troll/blogger becoming a world threat, or a dictator in a foreign country who just happens to be a genius in every sense of the word?

It's the same problem with putting Ang Lee in charge of a Hulk movie; folks really don't get these characters because they didn't grow up around them. So they want to "adapt" the characters to their vision, not realizing the fans who are paying money to see these guys onscreen don't want the director's version of them if it's not at least somewhat congruent with the world they're familiar with.

This is why the MCU is so successful; simply because they understand the universe better than most others and aren't willing to allow directors to completely warp the story/characters so that they can be different and "creative."

Want to be creative? Make a new story under these constraints... Want to be generic? Make another reboot of these characters that has absolutely nothing to do with them or their storylines.

 

[Jack Brickman]

This is why the MCU is so successful; simply because they understand the universe better than most others and aren't willing to allow directors to completely warp the story/characters so that they can be different and "creative."

And the one time they let a director completely warp a character, the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, it was pretty much unanimously regarded as their worst film.

 

[gourimoko]

And the one time they let a director completely warp a character, the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, it was pretty much unanimously regarded as their worst film.

Holy shit was that awful.. The Mandarin's character in that film was just... a completely wtf / troll moment. It's like the director is saying "haha, I just burned hundreds of millions of dollars.. fuck everybody.."

 

[Jack Brickman]

Holy shit was that awful.. The Mandarin's character in that film was just... a completely wtf / troll moment. It's like the director is saying "haha, I just burned hundreds of millions of dollars.. fuck everybody.."

On the plus side, I think the relative failure of Iron Man 3 probably made the Marvel Universe as a whole better. It established some guidelines as to what the fans wanted and what they were unwilling to accept. Marvel hasn't had a bad movie since.

 

[Adam]

On the plus side, I think the relative failure of Iron Man 3 probably made the Marvel Universe as a whole better. It established some guidelines as to what the fans wanted and what they were unwilling to accept. Marvel hasn't had a bad movie since.

Yeah it showed the power of story the fans demand. No one gave a fuck about 50 iron man suits compared to the plot. The only times its good is when its dealing with tonys fall out from avengers

 

[spydy13]

On the plus side, I think the relative failure of Iron Man 3 probably made the Marvel Universe as a whole better. It established some guidelines as to what the fans wanted and what they were unwilling to accept. Marvel hasn't had a bad movie since.

Thor: Dark World and Avengers: Age of Ultron say hello.

That movie has also made more money than any non-Avengers movie in the MCU, so I don't know how much a failure it really was.

That being said, I definitely didn't think it was that great. My biggest gripe with it was that coming off the Avengers I felt like they made it feel too sectioned off from the MCU. Having Bruce Banner/Hulk there as just a framing device instead of helping Iron Man out was so dumb. I don't have much experience with the Mandarian so what they did didn't really ruin anything for me, but it did feel like a goofy twist and a waste of Ben Kingsley.

 

[Man Called X]

And the one time they let a director completely warp a character, the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, it was pretty much unanimously regarded as their worst film.

I actually think that was intentional. And they still have plans for the real Mandarin.. I think it was Feige quoted as saying it.

*edit* Was actually a One Shot at the end of Dark World that made mention of The Mandarin wanting his name back.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Thor: Dark World and Avengers: Age of Ultron say hello.

That movie has also made more money than any non-Avengers movie in the MCU, so I don't know how much a failure it really was.

I think the second Thor and Avengers movies were both better than Iron Man 3. Honestly, I enjoyed the second Thor film for what it was. It was different, sure, but it wasn't bad.

And it made money because the first two Iron Man movies were great, so people naturally wanted to see the third one. It was destined to make a shitload of money. It's easily regarded as their worst film.