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Haha. Since preseason holds no weight on anything (Spurs are 1-6 I think), how about we just say our opinions are "preseason opinions" as well. We haven't actually seen anything yet, especially with all the makeovers these teams have had, so we can't really say anything about it.

With that said, I will also include this. I understand where TJ comes from. He is Bucks fan, so he naturally puts the best light on everything they do and are. They have potential, no doubt about it. If all those unknown potential factors go the right way, he will probably be right in saying that they will as good as he claims. It is not probable, but it is possible.

I assume you just like coming here TJ because you get bored with a bunch of other people that agree with you. You know you are going to get different opinions on this board about your beloved Bucks. I think you are wrong about a lot of things, but I understand.
 
Absolutely Rimmage. But what I say is likely, not "possible". Truth.

Cleveland56,

I don't put much weight on preseason games either, but let's face it, I would have caught a lot of crap from you guys if Ford had not dominated the Cavs. In fact, the preseason scoreboard is only in my sig because two of your more prominant HOMERS garaunteed a 5-0 Cav sweep of the Bucks. So in that regard, scoreboard is indeed relevant.

How bout this for a new sig..."I don't hate your team, I just like mine better". :D
 
TJ-i think you have reason to be optimistic about the Bucks, if healthy they could very well be a playoff team. but remeber they won 30 games last year and to jump to winning 49 games and the 5th seed in the east is asking a lot. the just added another quality big which helps and they kept Redd which was big. they also signed Bobby Simmons who was a good player last year but he is about an even swap with Mason in my opinion. TJ Ford is back and drafting Bogut helps as well but i don't see a 19 game improvement. not when you consider that other teams in the East also made improvements.

i do think some Cavaliers fans are being a little unrealistic as well. this is a team that on paper should be very good but they still have a rookie head coach and a bunch of players that have to learn to play together. so feel free to call Cleveland fans out for no being objective and overrating the team but you are doing the same thing. not one person outside of Milwaulkee thinks the Bucks will be better then the Cavaliers.
 
In preseason..and I'm pretty sure LeBron didn't play in that one...haven't been all that into preseason because I can't see any of it. But just wait till the ball goes in the air next week...
 
TJ'sDa1 said:
Absolutely Rimmage. But what I say is likely, not "possible". Truth.

And like I said...I think you are wrong about a lot things. :D
 
OMG PEOPLE

It's the Fu[king BUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
 
This is a good trade for Milwaukee because they traded good small for good big, but people act like this move is going to push Milwaukee into the upper echelon of the East.

It's not. Milwaukee is in that 6-8 seed range still.
 
This is a phenomenal trade for the Bucks. I hate it. They became quite deep at the thinnest position in the league, which is something we should have done.

Everyone just needs to shut up about pre-rankings. Talent is not an issue now with the records. Chemistry is. Nearly every team in the East has improved talent-wise, but it is team chemistry that will separate the contenders from those that will be watching from home in April. And whoever makes the playoffs, regardless of the seed, will be a strong contender to make the second round, unless you're unfortunate enough to be from the Atlantic division.

There are large question marks for both the Bucks and Cavs.
For the Bucks, TJ Ford is the X factor that may put them on top.
For the Cavs, LeBron James is the obvious factor that makes the cream rise.

To say Gadzuric is better than AV/Henderson is a folly. To say the inverse is equally foolish. But you have the advantage now because AV is injured until February.

Joe Smith better than Marshall? They bring different things to the table. Joe Smith will eventually be relegated to the bench. Marshall can accept that. Can Smith?

Gooden and Magloire both have the big Q's looming over them. They will both overperform this year: Magloire will be happy on a winning team, Gooden will be in his contract year. Both bring the needed rebounding. Gooden is a better post scorer, while Magloire has 2 more inches, enabling him to play center. Don't give me All-Star appearance crap, the past is more situational than indicational. Magloire being a center and 2nd option, while Gooden being a PF and being snubbed. Put Gooden in a starting position and 2nd option and he'd average 20/12.

Bobby Simmons can improve, stay the same, or do a little worse. His most important trait will not be his offense, but his defense. Same can be said for Larry Hughes, but Hughes brings more to the table offensively, but has more durability issues.

Jiri Welsch is not better than Ira Newble. He has no leadership skills on the defensive end, something that many people underrate. His shooting will be inconsistent, because that's his nature. I do feel he'll do better this season because he'll have much less pressure on him to be a savior. However he won't be anything close to the 6th man of your team. To expect that of him is also foolish. He won't do any better than Luke Jackson or Sasha Pavlovic or Ira Newble will do.

Charlie Bell? Mo Williams? I suppose they're decent backups. The combination of impact of TJ Ford/Williams and Jones/Snow will be equal. Bell will be alright, I suppose.

Star power: LeBron and Redd are the faces of their franchise. LeBron is the obvious #1 option for the Cavs. Redd is getting paid the most, but is he the impact player? Not in my opinion, TJ Ford is the impact player that will be the one to have the prowess to win games. How will Mikey react to that? Redd is merely a role-player, a shooter. Damon Jones anybody? At least we're not paying Damon 70 mil.

Then it comes down to defense. LeBron James and Michael Redd were criticized for their defensive shortcomings last season. Who has been working on their game? I heard LeBron has, but nothing yet from the Redd camp. Regardless of individual skills, whoever comes out on top really comes down to:

Coaching. Who has the better coach? Who's working hard with their team to forge chemistry? Who's preaching the right things and is working on a better system? Mike Brown, or Terry Stotts? We'll never really know for sure until we see how things go in the season. But ask anyone in the NBA... I'd say more would pick Mike Brown with Hang Egan to lead their team over Terry Stotts and... who's your assistants?

Both are teams that vastly re-vamped their starting lineups. Milwaukee has so far made more changes. But it's not numbers that count here. Regardless, both teams are very different from what they were in the past. We'll see how they meld together using all of these factors.
 
CBBI said:
This is a good trade for Milwaukee because they traded good small for good big, but people act like this move is going to push Milwaukee into the upper echelon of the East.

It's not. Milwaukee is in that 6-8 seed range still.

I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I would just expand that range to 5-8......Cleveland would be there as well.
 
TJ'sDa1 said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I would just expand that range to 5-8......Cleveland would be there as well.

There ya go. Now everyone's homer glasses are off.
 
LEBRON'S_PIPPEN said:
OMG PEOPLE

It's the Fu[king BUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

What's your revised prediction (from 5-0)? And the Bucks getting lucky to sneak into the 8th seed?
 
lyXo said:
There ya go. Now everyone's homer glasses are off.

This has been my prediction from day 1. Nothing has changed.
 
This is a good trade for the Bucks. Losing Mason hurts, but quality bigs are a rare commodity. It makes their team more solid IMO.

Some of yall are too sensitive when it comes to TJsDa1's posts. Cant yall see the intelligence and humor he has in his posts? Sure i dont agree with him on many things, but he is a quality poster who believes in his team and i have repped him before. And this thread is about the Bucks, so its ok to go BUCK NUTTY! (keyword being 'nutty' :chuckles: )

In the SI preview, they have the Bucks at 12 in the East, behind Bos Orl Ny Phila Chi Was and Cle at 5. This was before this trade, but i agree with TJ there is a small market bias. Such is the power of money. The large numbers of fans in NY CHI Etc are more likely to buy the mag if their team is rated higher. Now with Magloire, i think they will most likely be in the playoffs at 6 or 7 seed.

TJ, you should drop the preseason vic from your sig, even if the Cavs won, it doesnt mean much, lets focus on the 4 reg season games. And while youre at it , do you have to have such a long video in your sig, it slows my Imac down a bit. Ill be keepin an eye on the Bucks this year, and all those that challenge the Cavaliers. Dec 10th......
 
As you wish HPD. Desmond (in sig and avatar) is a player of such prominance in the community that I still don't mind honoring him. He was one of the leaders of this team and was very much looking forward to getting back to the playoffs. We're sad that he can't be a part of this team anymore, but Magloire is a clear upgrade at a need position. Redd and Simmons will now have to play as many minutes as Lebron and Hughes...38+.
 

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