Bucks Get Magloire for Mason

[PIP]

What's your revised prediction (from 5-0)? And the Bucks getting lucky to sneak into the 8th seed?

4 wins Good guys at full strength

0 wins Bad guys at full strength

Bucks on the 8th seed fence..But are staying on instead of falling off.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

See you on Dec 10th LePip. I'll be there and will bring back my live scouting report.

I know this Bucks trade kicks you in the gut. :chuckles: No more Bogut bust talk....who cares! We've got three legitimate centers now and two legitimate power forwards (Magloire pf/c).

Like Marvin Gaye sang....You've got to give it up!

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

And will you edit your sig already!?! It should read "cruising" to a 6th seed. :chuckles:

 

[PIP]

I shall let you have your moment.... The best talkers are the big talkers...But they also fall the hardest..

You guys live it up, but rest assure, I will be around when it all comes crashing down.. :fu:

 

[PIP]

And will you edit your sig already!?! It should read "cruising" to a 6th seed. :chuckles:

Inside joke my man, Inside joke

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Magloire is just another piece. A damn solid piece. However, the franchise keys are in the hands of this man.....

22 points and 10 assists against Miller, Boykins, and the Nuggets last night. This is the guy that we well rise or fall with. Not Redd, not Bogut, not Simmons, not Magloire. TJ Ford!

 

[LyXo]

This has been my prediction from day 1. Nothing has changed.

There's a difference between:

Bucks 5th seed
Cavs 6th seed

and

Bucks 5-8
Cavs 5-8

and
Cavs 5th seed
Bucks 6th seed

1st one is a homer statement,
2nd one is an objective statement
3rd one can be either :chuckles:

I guess you have to choose one.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Hey, I can appreciate the humor of course but if you dig out my original rankings, while I did have Bucks 5 Cavs 6, I clearly stated that teams 5-8 could finish in any order and are probably not seperated by more than 5 games or so.

I'm still reserving the 5th seed for the Bucks though. Home team advantage. :chuckles: If the Bucks survive their brutal November schedule within 2 games of .500, TJ might bump that up to a 4 seed. :chuckles: :chuckles: :chuckles:

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

It appears that Magloire and Smith will still start up front with the following players coming off of the bench:

Dan Gadzuric
Andrew Bogut
Mo Williams
Charlie Bell
Toni Kukoc

That's a starting five that would beat these eastern conference teams:

Atlanta
Toronto
Charlotte
Orlando
Chicago

 

[LyXo]

Anderson Varejao
Alan Henderson
Donyell Marshall
Luke Jackson
Eric Snow

That's a starting five that would beat these eastern conference teams:

Atlanta
Toronto
Charlotte
Orlando

Oh, and TJ, you should cross out Chicago from that list. Sans Curry, they are still a dominating force in the East, when healthy.

Chandler
Songaila/Sweetney (very underrated acquisitions)
Deng
Hinrich
Duhon

-Gordon off the bench

Our benches won't beat that.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Bucks, Beasts of the East...Article

Look Out For The Bucks!
By Ryan "Real Deal" McNeill
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Oct 26, 2005, 17:28

With the acquisition of Jamaal Magloire Tuesday afternoon the Milwaukee Bucks have now become one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference. Bucks GM Larry Harris has finished a perfect offseason by dealing Desmond Mason and a 2006 first round pick to the Hornets for All-Star centre Magloire.

"In Jamaal Magloire, we were able to add a young, All-Star-caliber big man to our front-court rotation", Bucks general manager Larry Harris told ESPN. "He can score facing up, as well as with his back to the basket and he's proven to be a good defender and rebounder during his young career".

The Bucks now have a starting line-up of Magloire, Andrew Bogut and Bobby Simmons in the front court and Michael Redd and TJ Ford in the back-court. Bucks head coach Terry Stotts also has the benefit of Joe Smith, Dan Gadzuric, Jiri Welsh, Toni Kukuc, Ervin Johnson and Maurice Williams coming off the bench.

Not only does the addition of Magloire shore up the Bucks frontcourt, it also clears up a log jam the Bucks currently had at the shooting guard and small forward spot while providing Bogut with an excellent mentor.

Umm, can you say future Beasts of the East?

The Bucks have a strong team this season but what really makes this deal scary is how the team will look three years from now. Redd, Bogut, Magloire, Ford and Simmons are all be entering the prime of their careers. The Bucks current starters have a chance to fight for home court advantage this season, imagine what the team will be like after three years of playing together? That must be a scary thought for Eastern Conference GM's.

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Fine article. The Bucks are equipped moreso than any other EC team to be dominant after the 2007 season if not sometime before. With youth and upper tier talent at the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 positions, there is no other team in the east that can compare with the Bucks' three to four year projection. The Chicago Bulls and perhaps the Boston Celtics are rivals, but I'd take the Bucks overall talent over either of those teams. Indiana will still be in good shape and will be a force to reckon with.

In 3-4 years, these Eastern stars will certainly be on the decline:

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Donyell Marshall
Damon Jones
Eric Snow
Shaquille Oneal
Alonzo Mourning
Antoine Walker
Jason Kidd
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Rasheed Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Ben Wallace
Lindsey Hunter
Antonio McDyess
Antiwan Jamison
Antonio Davis

Bucks that will be reaching their prime in 3-4 years:

Ford
Redd
Magloire
Bogut
Williams
Bell
Simmons
Gadzuric

I think Milwaukee has a pretty bright future ahead.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

For the life of me I can't understand why people are still high on the Bulls. They are a scrappy young team that played very hard on defense last year, I'll give them that. However, I think that they are largely a fluke team. Without Curry's inside offense and 7 foot presence, the Bulls will struggle mightily. You can't win in the east with a rail thin center and a bunch of 6-8 guys. I'm sorry. Also, how likely do you think it is for Ben Gordon to repeat all of the game saving fouth quarter plays that he made last season? He was figured out by the playoffs last season (see Wizard/Bulls stats) and has done nothing this preseason to suggest that he'll be a starter in this league. I think he had 10pts and 0assists in his last game. Gordon is a one trick pony that will be neutralized this season.

Kirk Hinrich is a good player but is not a reliable shooter or playmaker. He will hustle and play hard....just like Chandler. Deng is a young player that still has a lot to prove. Everyone else on their team is largely smoke and mirrors....average players. Sweetney will struggle against frontline bigs (6-10 or better). Bogut at 7-1 stuffed Sweetney a couple of times and took him out of our preseason matchup. Imagine what the Magloire's, Wallace's, Ilgauskases, and Oneals of the world are going to do to him. The Bulls are done!

 

[Rimage]

Here is some more ratings from "experts".

#6 - Lebron James
#22 - Larry Hughes
#28 - Donyell Marshall
#30 - Drew Gooden
#31 - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
#47 - Michael Redd
#48 - Dan Gadzuric
#64 - Anderson Varejao
#91 - Bobby Simmons
#109 - Damon Jones
#140 - Desmond Mason
#203 - Jamaal Magloire
#205 - Toni Kukoc
#214 - Alan Henderson

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings

I am posting this because is has to do with the Magloire/Mason trade...see, their names are in it.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Updated Power Rankings. Eastern playoff teams in bold.

2005-06 Power Rankings: Preseason
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Spurs 59-23 We repeat: Spurs won't win 70 because they generally start slow and because Pop won't waste energy letting them chase a number. But make no mistake: This is S.A.'s deepest team ever.
2 (4) Pacers 44-38 Still struggling to believe that Penthouse is going with Artest on its cover, but at least you can tell your wife or girlfriend (for once) that you're buying it to read it.
3 (2) Pistons 54-28 This risk was avoided last season thanks to Indiana's suspension-induced drop, but the Pistons -- not the biggest fans of the regular season -- would be wise to remember that finishing second in the division means you can't be seeded higher than No. 4.
4 (6) Rockets 51-31 Houstonians are obviously hurting right now, but there are worse playoff fates than getting swept in the championship round. T-Mac knows that all too well . . . but has never been better positioned to change his postseason fortunes.
5 (5) Heat 59-23 Sounds like there's someone else (besides us) for Heat fans to hate. Says 'Sheed: ''With a team like that, I wouldn't have changed nothing. They took us to a Game 7, I mean, why change that team?''
6 (7) Nuggets 49-33 'Melo insists he'll be an All-Star this February. If Denver lives up to all these lofty expectations, he's a lock.
7 (8) Mavericks 58-24 If it's basically the same team as last season, as previously noted in this cyberspace, something else hasn't changed. Dirk is always Dirk, but Dallas still isn't sure what it'll get at PG and C.
8 (3) Suns 62-20 No, not a misprint: I'm still picking Phoenix to win the Pacific, even without Amare. But his absence means that the Spurs will now run virtually unopposed in the West.
9 (12) Nets 42-40 Did You Know time: Nets were 29-10 when Krstic scored at least 10. More evidence that the young center, who's expected to bump up that ppg, might be the real key here.
10 (9) Cavaliers 42-40 Everyone knows they'll be better. Question is, how much better will Cavs be on the road? For their sake, hopefully much, much better than 12-29.
11 (10) Kings 50-32 Adelman's under some pressure, as always, but so is Petrie (to a degree). The GM who's banking on Bonzi and Reef has to convince Peja (contract year) to stay.
12 (11) Grizzlies 45-37 Except for Toronto, perhaps no team took the Magloire trade harder than Memphis. Jerry West, by all accounts, wanted the big man badly.
13 (15) Bucks 30-52 Without Magloire, Simmons has to play lots of PF. With Magloire, Simmons as a four is now just for occasional small ball change-ups, which is a better way to use him.
14 (14) Wizards 45-37 That first-round comeback over Chicago obviously made an impression. Several of our pundits expect the Bulls to take a backward step and the Wiz to maintain their playoff status.
15 (16) Lakers 34-48 The 24/7 focus is naturally on Phil and Kobe. But a successful season probably depends more on Phil reaching Kwame and Kwame not folding when Kobe chides him.
16 (13) Warriors 34-48 Excellent points from my man Bucher. Everyone comparing the Warriors to last season's Suns overlooks the fact that Phoenix had better shooters and more athletic bigs.
17 (18) SuperSonics 52-30 As great as Ray was in '04-05, Seattle's frontcourt rotation was a huge key last season. Evans and Collison are still there, but James is gone and Fortson and Radmanovic don't sound happy.
18 (19) Timberwolves 44-38 If the Wolves want to shame experts who dare to suggest that KG will miss the playoffs two years in a row, they can start by doing a little better than 0-3 on the road against Hawks, Bobcats and Raps, as seen in '04-05.
19 (22) 76ers 43-39 Iverson and Webber really could have used a smooth start and haven't had one. As a fan of both, I'm still rooting for them to surprise us.
20 (17) Knicks 33-49 Upon reflection . . . maybe the bottom of the East's playoff ladder isn't any more wide open that the bottom of the West's. I see at least seven teams definitely ahead of Larry's Knicks. At least seven.
21 (20) Bulls 47-35 It doesn't help Chicago's cause that the toughest division in basketball -- yes, tougher even than the Southwest -- just got tougher with Milwaukee swindling Magloire from New Orleans.
22 (23) Jazz 26-56 Golden State is getting lots of Sleeper O' The West pub, but perhaps that team will wind up being Utah. There are major questions at PG, true, but the frontcourt still catches your eye when you read the names: Kirilenko, Boozer, Okur.
23 (21) Celtics 45-37 The challenge with Boston, at least for us, is coming up with comments that don't mention the possibility of a Pierce trade. So far, we're 0-for-2.
24 (25) Clippers 37-45 Major downer. Livingston is the Clipper we wanted to watch most and now you have to start wondering whether he'll always be dealing with injuries.
25 (24) Magic 36-46 Grant Hill has the right attitude -- ''It's better than three to six months or three to six years,'' he says -- but hearing he needs another surgery (of any kind) makes our stomachs hurt.
26 (28) Bobcats 18-64 Felton, a rookie, has guaranteed a playoff berth. Sorry, kid. Only legit guarantee we can see is that Bobcats will be playing in a better (new) building.
27 (27) Hawks 13-69 The committee can't stop thinking about the late Collier . . . and the wife and daughter who have to carry on without him. If we can't stop thinking about him, imagine how it must be for Hawks.
28 (26) Trail Blazers 27-55 This won't be like last fall, when a rocky preseason couldn't stop Nate's team from enjoying a storybook season. Nate's new team is far, far greener and will struggle as much as the latest projections suggest.
29 (29) Hornets 18-64 Let's just say that trading big for small -- and for a draft pick that probably won't even be in the lottery now -- is not how I'd want to start the season. Especially when the big is a recent former All-Star.
30 (30) Raptors 33-49 Raps' outlook isn't that bleak. Most staffers agree that they'd rank as high as second if we did power rankings for the Israeli league.

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Not to far from my predictions. I'd be more than happy to fall into the 6th seed. A shot at the Atlantic champ (New Jersey) is the easiest ticket into the second round. The 5th seed will get you Detroit or Indiana and a ticket home more than likely. :chuckles:

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Here is some more ratings from "experts".

#6 - Lebron James
#22 - Larry Hughes
#28 - Donyell Marshall
#30 - Drew Gooden
#31 - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
#47 - Michael Redd
#48 - Dan Gadzuric
#64 - Anderson Varejao
#91 - Bobby Simmons
#109 - Damon Jones
#140 - Desmond Mason
#203 - Jamaal Magloire
#205 - Toni Kukoc
#214 - Alan Henderson

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings

I am posting this because is has to do with the Magloire/Mason trade...see, their names are in it.

Hollinger is on his own stuff. :chuckles: He has TJ Ford as one of the worst players in basketball. He's no "expert". :chuckles: PER stats have to be put into perspective. They do reveal some things, but they can be manipulated and or misleading.

TJ is all the expert you need Rim. :chuckles: