Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

[Ohioplayer00]

Seriously? Doubling down rather than just dropping it? Okay, here's what you said in your initial post:



That is completely wrong! The season before Morant arrived is the one where they won 33 games!! They then drafted Morant, and that's when they won 34 games!!! A massive one game improvement from adding Morant!!!! And it was his in second season where they won only 38 games. Your facts were just flat-out bogus!!

Biggest lineup difference between the 20-21 season where they won only 38 games, and the 56 win season in 21-22 was a healthy Jaren Jackson Jr. He only played 11 games on 20-21 due to injury, but played 78 games in 21-22!!

The Grizzlies actually had a bigger win winning percentage when Morant didn't play than when he did!!!

And again I tell you that any team can step up their game when they lose their star player. So you’re telling with Morant playing they still would have lost two of those last three games to Dubs? You’re saying he wouldn’t have made a difference? And you’re saying he hasn’t changed the trajectory of that franchise??

 

[NMCav]

And again I tell you that any team can step up their game when they lose their star player. So you’re telling with Morant playing they still would have lost two of those last three games to Dubs? You’re saying he wouldn’t have made a difference? And you’re saying he hasn’t changed the trajectory of that franchise??

Except most teams don't play better without their star. Cavaliers with LeBron sucked even when Kyrie and Kevin Love both played. Heat sucked without Dwayne Wade during his prime before LBJ and Bosh joined him in Miami. Recently Warriors sucked without Klay. Morant is a good player but he's currently not a franchise changing player. A team wouldn't be able to go 20-5 in games without him if he was a franchise player at this stage of his career.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

And again I tell you that any team can step up their game when they lose their star player.

Really? Cavs were 4-19 without LeBron in 2014-15, 15-16, and 16-17. And it's not like the Grizzlies played over their heads for just 2 or 3 gamea while missing Morant. They went 20-5..

So you’re telling with Morant playing they still would have lost two of those last three games to Dubs? You’re saying he wouldn’t have made a difference? And you’re saying he hasn’t changed the trajectory of that franchise??

No, the first thing I'm telling you is that the numbers on which you relied to prove your argument were flat-out wrong. Which you still won't admit.

It is impossible to be certain whether the Grizzlies would have been better or worse with Morant in the playoffs. He may have made a difference for the better....or for the worse. Now, as a general rule, a team plays better when it has all of its starters....but that applies to all starters. They all "make a difference", or they wouldn't be getting minutes at all.

As I said, Morant may end up being another Kyrie Irving in terms of his net effect on winning, and that isn't a guy I'd build a team around.

 

[foucault87]

On the Morant issue, I view him as a ceiling raiser and not a floor raiser, much like Kyrie. His midrange game, consistent driving attack, and passing vision means you always have someone who can bust open a game and give you a chance to score. Over the course of a season that won't get you 50 wins on its own, but in the playoffs that can turn a series or a championship run.

You have to give Memphis credit for assembling what is a solid playoff team (at worst) without their number one guy. Add Ja, and the upside of that team moves from first round exit to a potential conference finals or better.

 

[letgocavs]

Really wish we could get a player like bol bol. Someone young with potential. Trade one of our aging vets, love or cedi

 

[adam81king]

Really wish we could get a player like bol bol. Someone young with potential. Trade one of our aging vets, love or cedi

If you want someone like Bol Bol then draft John Butler.

 

[Kizzle]

i guess a better one would be Zion with the magical health guarantee for Collin, Mobley and a 1st but you have a magical guarantee that Mobley

Magically guaranteeing Zion's health is the equivalent of magically guaranteeing that Mobley adds 50lbs of muscle and doesn't lose any quickness. If we can make both of those guarantees, then I'm not trading Mobley AND other assets for Zion.

To be quite honest, I'm not sure even with a "magical health guarantee" that Zion is a better player than Mobley 4-5 years down the road. I think that while Zion might be a better player now, Mobley has more room to grow offensively and defensively.

That’s a good one too. Zion with the magical health guarantee for Collin, Mobley and a 1st but you have a magical guarantee that Mobley grows to legit 7 foot, and has a decade of playing at 230 lbs.


If that were the case i would probably just roll with Mobley

 

[Cavatt]

If you want someone like Bol Bol then draft John Butler.

I like him with our late second pick. Just the idea of the Butler, Mobley, Allen frontcourt is pretty cool

 

[Lee]

Theoretically if Sexton, Mobley and 2 1sts get it done and you have a magical guarantee Zion will be healthy, and give you 12 years of health, how many people take that trade?


I do and i even add in Okoro and another 1st if needed.

I wouldnt trade Mobley straight up for Zion.

Even in your magic world of health, His game is still predicated on athletic ability on a big frame so his athletic ability will decline early. He isnt the defensive impact of Mobley, and Mobley's work ethic and form is better so he should be the better shooter sooner than later.

No thank you

 

[Lee]

Unless you are a truly generational offensive player - and the current list begins and ends with Steph Curry - you're simply not a franchise-altering player to the same extent as the top 5-6 two-way players.

So Embiid, Giannis, Tatum (although he's a notch below the other two), are simply on a different level entirely from guys like Morant and Booker.

I have a hard time with Embiid because I think that foot is on borrowed time.

Giannis in a heartbeat, I would in fact have to tape my mouth to prevent me asking why. I think Giannis is super special though, like potential top 10 of all time special.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I wouldnt trade Mobley straight up for Zion.

Even in your magic world of health, His game is still predicated on athletic ability on a big frame so his athletic ability will decline early. He isnt the defensive impact of Mobley, and Mobley's work ethic and form is better so he should be the better shooter sooner than later.

No thank you

Zion is starting to remind me of Dinner Bell Mel

 

["MVP"]

Cavs get: Pick #7
Blazers get: Pick #14, Pick #39, Isaac Okoro

Why for Cavs? We can drop the suspense of hoping one of Eason, Daniels, or Dieng falls to #14 and take our pick of the three.

Why for Blazers? Rumors are circulating they're open for business with Pick #7 to get defensive wings to put around Dame, and picks #14 and #39 give them two bites at the apple to get NBA ready prospects.

I think the price of #39 and Okoro to move up from #14 to #7 is not quite enough most years. But this year may be an exception, where Portland can feel reasonably confident about getting a similar caliber prospect at #14 as #7.

 

[sailfish]

Zion is starting to remind me of Dinner Bell Mel

Zion’s like a crazy hybrid, if you were to mix Big Baby Davis with Zach LaVine. I just don’t know that he will ever be able to control his weight and his body may not be able to handle all the forces that he places upon it.

 

[Lane Violation]

Zion’s like a crazy hybrid, if you were to mix Big Baby Davis with Zach LaVine. I just don’t know that he will ever be able to control his weight and his body may not be able to handle all the forces that he places upon it.

No doubt about those massive forces. Dude blew out a shoe! He’s not even 22 yet. Hopefully he can get south of 250 and extend his career. Charles Barkley entered the league at 21 years old. He was listed at around 285 but might have been closer to 300. The kids got time to change his body if he wants it.

 

[CavsKermit]

If you want someone like Bol Bol then draft John Butler.

Pretty sure Bol Bol is not longer on an NBA roster. He can't stay healthy.