Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

[Bob_The_Cat]

Cavs Get:
Kispert
Barton

Wiz Get:
Okoro
Osman
Windler
2nd

Wade probably still starts at SF when healthy, but there’s a decent chance Kispert can just take the job. Either way, he adds a legitimate shooter that can play SG or SF. Barton hasn’t been great this year, but he’s still a solid bench piece with playoff experience. He’s also able to play the 2/3 and isn’t a complete black hole on offense. If his offensive numbers rebound a bit he could be a nice bench piece for this team.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

double post

 

[foucault87]

Cavs Get:
Kispert
Barton

Wiz Get:
Okoro
Osman
Windler
2nd

Wade probably still starts at SF when healthy, but there’s a decent chance Kispert can just take the job. Either way, he adds a legitimate shooter that can play SG or SF. Barton hasn’t been great this year, but he’s still a solid bench piece with playoff experience. He’s also able to play the 2/3 and isn’t a complete black hole on offense. If his offensive numbers rebound a bit he could be a nice bench piece for this team.

I think we are actually giving up more value here. Kispert is the best player in the deal for sure, but Cedi/Okoro are not that far behind him overall. Windler is salary filler. Barton is cooked at this point. He is struggling a lot without Joker spoonfeeding him excellent looks.

 

[foucault87]

Cavs Get:
Kispert
Barton

Wiz Get:
Okoro
Osman
Windler
2nd

Wade probably still starts at SF when healthy, but there’s a decent chance Kispert can just take the job. Either way, he adds a legitimate shooter that can play SG or SF. Barton hasn’t been great this year, but he’s still a solid bench piece with playoff experience. He’s also able to play the 2/3 and isn’t a complete black hole on offense. If his offensive numbers rebound a bit he could be a nice bench piece for this team.

Actually looking at this again, I need to recant my prior post. Barton has been bad, but it might be worth giving up multiple 2nds to get Kispert. He would be a really nice fit next to our starting lineup. He and Wade would be a very solid combo at 3 with a faster movement sniper in Kispert and a defensive 3nD 3/4 in Wade.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Actually looking at this again, I need to recant my prior post. Barton has been bad, but it might be worth giving up multiple 2nds to get Kispert. He would be a really nice fit next to our starting lineup. He and Wade would be a very solid combo at 3 with a faster movement sniper in Kispert and a defensive 3nD 3/4 in Wade.

Yeah, Kispert’s just such a good fit for what we need.

In terms of Barton, his play definitely did slip last season. His 3pt shooting is down a bit this year, but five of his last 7 season he’s shot 37% or better from three on five or more attempts per game. Even with a down shooting year he’s currently over 9% better than Okoro and taking 3.3 more threes per 100 possessions. He also has 1.5 more rebounds and 4 more assists per 100.

Biggest thing with Barton is he’s shooting 46.7% from the corner this year and has shot 42% or higher from the corner in five of the last six seasons.

While not ideal size, he might be a guy that could play the three on offense and not muck shit up because he can stand in the corner and knockdown shots. Defensively I’m not sure, but you’re basically bringing him in to replace Okoro who isn’t going to play much once Rubio is back.

 

[LeQuit]

Kispert and Cedi are kind of same level and productivity level guys,while Burton can be just as useless as Okoro. This trade would be just slightly in favour of Cavs.Not sure if trade worth the time.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Kispert and Cedi are kind of same level and productivity level guysBurton can be just as useless as Okoro. This trade would be just slightly in favour of Cavs.Not sure if trade worth the time.

I don’t even know if Washington would be open to trading Kispert at this point, but he’s the exact type of player we need on this offense. Shooting 43% on 4 catch & shoot 3P attempts per game. Basically all his attempts are C&S, and he’d probably get at least 6-7 of those per night here with the creators we have. Cedi is currently 29% on 3.1 3P C&S attempts.

Kispert and Cedi might score the same number of points, but they get them in drastically different ways. Giving Mitchell, Garland, LeVert, Mobley, and eventually Rubio a guy like that to kick the ball to completely opens up the offense for everyone. Osman is putting up his numbers with a USG rate of 17.4. Kispert’s is 12.7. Cedi needs the ball in his hands to produce, and we have 4 guys on the roster that are better at it than Cedi.

Barton actually has offensive skills and has shown the ability to shoot before. Okoro has none of those things.

Any trade we make is likely to be on the margins due to not having 1sts or any particularly valuable pieces that are tradeable. It’s more about finding pieces that are better fits with our top 4 guys.

 

[foucault87]

I don’t even know if Washington would be open to trading Kispert at this point, but he’s the exact type of player we need on this offense. Shooting 43% on 4 catch & shoot 3P attempts per game. Basically all his attempts are C&S, and he’d probably get at least 6-7 of those per night here with the creators we have. Cedi is currently 29% on 3.1 3P C&S attempts.

Kispert and Cedi might score the same number of points, but they get them in drastically different ways. Giving Mitchell, Garland, LeVert, Mobley, and eventually Rubio a guy like that to kick the ball to completely opens up the offense for everyone. Osman is putting up his numbers with a USG rate of 17.4. Kispert’s is 12.7. Cedi needs the ball in his hands to produce, and we have 4 guys on the roster that are better at it than Cedi.

Barton actually has offensive skills and has shown the ability to shoot before. Okoro has none of those things.

Any trade we make is likely to be on the margins due to not having 1sts or any particularly valuable pieces that are tradeable. It’s more about finding pieces that are better fits with our top 4 guys.

Want to second on this Barton. Even tho I was roasting him earlier in this thread, he has a legit offensive game. He is a decisive cutter who earned a ton of money off back cuts. He is also a much better shot creator and play maker than either Cedi or Okoro (career 5 ast per 100 vs 4.3 for Cedi and 2.8 for Okoro). He is is worse defensively than Okoro for sure, but he is closer to Levert than Okoro or Cedi. Less of a passer with a slightly more optimal shot profile than Caris.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

re Will Barton: Anybody who nicknames himself "Will the Thrill" and proceeds to fail as miserably as he did in the dunk contest should never be allowed on this team.

 

[Jscc]

Anybody know if there are any legs to this?

At times this season, the Wizards have shown promise of being a potential playoff team, but for the last two weeks that has not been the case, and because of it the rumors have started to fly about Kyle Kuzma and if he will be in Washington long term. Multiple teams the Lakers, Suns, Spurs, Bulls, Knicks, and Cavs just to name a few are rumored to be in the mix for Kuzma’s 20 points and seven rebounds a game. There is one team I think can take a big leap with Kuzma’s services and that team is….the Sacramento Kings.

https://www.si.com/nba/wizards/news/trade-rumor-kyle-kuzma-sacramento

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Anybody know if there are any legs to this?



https://www.si.com/nba/wizards/news/trade-rumor-kyle-kuzma-sacramento

I’m sure we’re discussing it, but I believe the issue in trading for Kuzma is that he can only be resigned using cap space. I don’t know how we’ll be able to free up that type of money with Garland’s extension starting next year.

I’m not advocating for this at all, but it appears the only way we could clear the cap space be by trading Allen or Garland in the off-season and taking back less money.

 

[Jscc]

I’m sure we’re discussing it, but I believe the issue in trading for Kuzma is that he can only be resigned using cap space. I don’t know how we’ll be able to free up that type of money with Garland’s extension starting next year.

I’m not advocating for this at all, but it appears the only way we could clear the cap space be by trading Allen or Garland in the off-season and taking back less money.

Oh. Ick! No thank you. Kuzma is a piece you add when you've got your foundation already built. I was looking at his career numbers and they aren't much different than LeVert's. Some of them are worse (BPM, VORP, PER).

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Oh. Ick! No thank you. Kuzma is a piece you add when you've got your foundation already built. I was looking at his career numbers and they aren't much different than LeVert's. Some of them are worse (BPM, VORP, PER).

Actually, I take that back. If my math is correct, messing with the cap numbers next year it appears if you trade/don’t resign/rescind rights of all these guys, you’ll have about $21M in cap space (Kuzma is reportedly looking for $20M):

Love
LeVert
Windler
Osman
Okoro

So if you signed Kuzma, that’d leave you at the cap with your core guys under contract (8):

Garland
Mitchell
Kuzma
Mobley
Allen
Rubio
Stevens
Wade

Then you would possibly have these players in the mix:

Diakite
Travers
Cooper
I Mobley
Diop

Then:
‘23 2nd Rounder
MLE
Vet min(s)

I would guess at least Travers and Diakite are roster players. I’d thing if we can keep him there’s a good chance Cooper is on the roster. If all three of those guys are roster players, that’s 11 spots filled with the other pieces remaining.

Garland / Rubio / Cooper
Mitchell / ?
Kuzma / Stevens / Travers
Mobley / Wade
Allen / Diakite

I actually thought that would look way worse letting LeVert and Love walk. Obviously would need some vet depth pieces, probably need to use the MLE on a SG, and might need to this years 2nd to be a roster player. Interesting.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I’m sure we’re discussing it, but I believe the issue in trading for Kuzma is that he can only be resigned using cap space. I don’t know how we’ll be able to free up that type of money with Garland’s extension starting next year.

I’m not advocating for this at all, but it appears the only way we could clear the cap space be by trading Allen or Garland in the off-season and taking back less money.

Actually if we let Love walk and cut ties with Windler and Cedi we’ll have the cap save!

 

[CavsKermit]

Cavs Get:
Kispert
Barton

Wiz Get:
Okoro
Osman
Windler
2nd

Wade probably still starts at SF when healthy, but there’s a decent chance Kispert can just take the job. Either way, he adds a legitimate shooter that can play SG or SF. Barton hasn’t been great this year, but he’s still a solid bench piece with playoff experience. He’s also able to play the 2/3 and isn’t a complete black hole on offense. If his offensive numbers rebound a bit he could be a nice bench piece for this team.

Barton has been really bad for two seasons in a row now. It's why the Nuggets attached a promising young PG on a rookie scale deal to ship him off to D.C. in exchange for KCP (who is the definition of replacement level player). Kispert can't defend anyone, and unlike Love, he's not a good rebounder or secondary playmaker.