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Cavs vs. Warriors -- 2017 NBA Finals

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Who wins?

  • Cavs in 4

    Votes: 23 8.4%

  • Cavs in 5

    Votes: 20 7.3%

  • Cavs in 6

    Votes: 146 53.1%

  • Cavs in 7

    Votes: 55 20.0%

  • Warriors in 7

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • Warriors in 6

    Votes: 10 3.6%

  • Warriors in 5

    Votes: 7 2.5%

  • Warriors in 4

    Votes: 12 4.4%
  • Total voters
    275
  • Poll closed .
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I think we played too soft. You have to bully them, just have to. That is something they are not built for. KD, Steph, Klay soft pussies, Green too small to really be imposing anything physically. They should beat them, risk fouls etc. If it's deliberate you can control emotions and let them boil. I would go after them the same way unskilled guys go after you in rec league. They hit you, they push and play really hard and they get themselves a chance. Bball is a fine art, getting roughed while performing unsettles the performer.
But we have the Jedi of rough basketball.
 
Listened to KD's and Bill Simmons podcast and I'm not mad.

Warriors knew that if they continued to move the ball on offense and stayed disciplined that they could beat the Cavs. KD said after 8-9 passes the Cavs defense would break and a mistake would happen. They pretty much did what the Celtics did they just were able to make those shots. They knew LeBron and Kyrie would get tired on offense.

Cavs need to change how they play ball if they ever want to beat this team. Isolation is too predictable and easy to defend.
 
Omar The Horse said:
Listened to KD's and Bill Simmons podcast and I'm not mad.

Warriors knew that if they continued to move the ball on offense and stayed disciplined that they could beat the Cavs. KD said after 8-9 passes the Cavs defense would break and a mistake would happen. They pretty much did what the Celtics did they just were able to make those shots. They knew LeBron and Kyrie would get tired on offense.

Cavs need to change how they play ball if they ever want to beat this team. Isolation is too predictable and easy to defend.
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So they butchered us in offense and transition offense and it's our OFFENSe that need to change?

Everything needs to get tinkered with from our roster to how we play them but after game 1 our offense was fantastic

When you have a 4 versatile stars on the court at the same time, moving the ball around 8-9 times is almost always going to expose some defensive breakdown in any and every team.

The Warriors simply broke the machine by adding KD to what was already a record setting offense. They took advantage of an advantageous cap situation they had and an once in a lifetime salary cap anomaly the summer the new TV money kicked in.

They will be out talenting every team they face for the next 3-4 years if healthy. When we talk about bettering our chance of beating them, it's literally about raising the odds from 25% to 35% percent and hoping to beat them once in the next 3-4 years.

That's just reality for us and every other team in the NBA for at least the next four years.

I would love to see a team with elite post players try to just bully them inside and foul out a ton of guys but even that I don't think will work because of the 3-2 nature of post makes vs three point makes. Not too mention every guard in the current NBA is horrible about feeding the post and so many NBA big men want to play like SFs
 
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MirORich said:
So they butchered us in offense and transition offense and it's our OFFENSe that need to change?

Everything needs to get tinkered with from our roster to how we play them but after game 1 our offense was fantastic

When you have a 4 versatile stars on the court at the same time, moving the ball around 8-9 times is almost always going to expose some defensive breakdown

The Warriors simply broke the machine by adding KD to what was already a record setting offense. They took advantage of an advantageous cap situation they had and an once in a lifetime salary cap anomaly the summer the new TV money kicked in.

They will out talenting every team they face for the next 3-4 years if healthy. When we talk about bettering our chance of beating them, it's literally about raising the odds from 25% to 35% percent and hoping to beat them once in the next 3-4 years.

That's just reality for us and every other team in the NBA for at least the next four years.

I would love to see a team with elite post players try to just bully them inside and foul out a ton of guys but even that I don't think will work because of the 3-2 nature of post makes vs three point makes. Not too mention every guard in the current NBA is horrible about feeding the post and so many NBA big men want to play like SFs
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Terrific post. I'll also if KD takes the pay cut and they resign Iggy and Liv then that's a bummer for the league. Damn you Durant

Having a guy like Andre I. whos allowed to hack James and switch onto Irving just isn't fair and tilts the odds of beating them imo.
 
MirORich said:
So they butchered us in offense and transition offense and it's our OFFENSe that need to change?

Everything needs to get tinkered with from our roster to how we play them but after game 1 our offense was fantastic

When you have a 4 versatile stars on the court at the same time, moving the ball around 8-9 times is almost always going to expose some defensive breakdown

The Warriors simply broke the machine by adding KD to what was already a record setting offense. They took advantage of an advantageous cap situation they had and an once in a lifetime salary cap anomaly the summer the new TV money kicked in.

They will out talenting every team they face for the next 3-4 years if healthy. When we talk about bettering our chance of beating them, it's literally about raising the odds from 25% to 35% percent and hoping to beat them once in the next 3-4 years.

That's just reality for us and every other team in the NBA for at least the next four years.

I would love to see a team with elite post players try to just bully them inside and foul out a ton of guys but even that I don't think will work because of the 3-2 nature of post makes vs three point makes. Not too mention every guard in the current NBA is horrible about feeding the post and so many NBA big men want to play like SFs
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I agree with everything you typed. I was just highlighting what their approach was going into the series. The Cavs defense was never mentioned as a threat because everyone knew it could be broken. The only concern the Warriors had was what happened in Game 4.

But they could live with that because of all the glaring holes on the Cavs roster and their style of play. That ISO ball was going to drain LeBron and Kyrie and the Warriors would always have 1-2 players to pick on when they had the ball.


KD is a smart dude and he absolutely made the right on court choice. He talked about the early adjustments he had to make because he was used to standing around on offense in OKC when he didn't have the ball and he wasn't used to moving off the ball. Once they figured out that it was a wrap because they could put out line-ups where all 5 players could defend, dribble, shoot, and make plays for others.

It just made me even more pessimistic when I realized that. This league is fucked.
 
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  1. ACisKING said:
    If she really said this, that's just straight up baller. Never been much of a fan of hers, but I'm going to have to start now just based on the savagery of that quote...
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She is so right!

That's nothing to be proud of Russ
quote from Clark Grizwald comes to mind.
 
Sometimes the truth is more sinister.. in simpler terms our terrible transition defense from the year came back.

At what point does Lue or who ever ta fuck is in charge of the defense take accountability for this shit?

The whole year everyone and their mother knew this was our achilles heel. No one seemed to what to address it.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/making-the-transition/
 
I know I'm ticked..and after hearing Mr.Ed,aka Draymond talking smack, I hope the Cavs are mad too and steam about it all year and play with a chip on their shoulder and demolish them in the finals next year..yes I said it..I want the rematch next year .
 
David. said:
FYI, we won 9/20 quarters
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Exactly. This team can be beat. Last 3 games are starters outscored GS by 55 points

Starters last 3 games

Cavs 329pts 549mins .59pts per min
Pace over 48mins 141pts

GS 274pts 499mins .54pts per min
Pace over 48mins 129pts

Bench game 5

Cavs pace over 48mins 31pts
GS pace over 48mins 112pts

Bench games 1-5

Cavs shooting 30%
GS shooting 53%

We can't really believe that we could beat this team with are bench shooting 30% right?

And most of us including Cavs management knew we had a huge weakness defending the paint. I mean did we not go out and get Bogut? How desperate they must of been to give Larry Sanders a shot.

To me this along with no support from are bench was the difference. How many times did we see GS go inside uncontested?
 
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