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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
I think some of the problems of Sexland at the moment is they need to grow as players to make their tandem truly work. To make that happen they probably need to both work on being combo guards where each can switch being the PG or SG on offense and the other doesn't feel like they are being shut out of the offense.

That's where a vet or two at guard would help progress that forward at a better rate than just playing Sexton and Garland together can. Delly could be part of that equation to take the ball out of Garlands hands so he can learn to play better off the ball. Sexton needs an off the ball guard to pair with so he can work on his PG skills. Someone that he can trust to knock down shots and not waste possessions or decide to take over running the play.

Koby has really done a poor job getting the necessary vets to really develop all these young guys. The vets that are useful can't stay healthy.
 
I think some of the problems of Sexland at the moment is they need to grow as players to make their tandem truly work. To make that happen they probably need to both work on being combo guards where each can switch being the PG or SG on offense and the other doesn't feel like they are being shut out of the offense.
It's beyond growth as players. Sexton's best role isn't as a starting G in the NBA, he's a 6th man. We've had 3 years of him being begged by coaches and teammates to keep the ball moving in the offense and he's still getting side-eyed by his teammates (who the F gets side-eyed by Cedi freakin Osman????).
This would have been discovered earlier if they hadn't insisted on forcing Sexton as a starter. He really needed to beat out Jordan Clarkson.
Bobby Phills had to wait two seasons clawing for minutes from Ehlo, Wilkins, Battle and Mike Sanders.
Terrell Brandon had to earn his time behind Price.. Heck, Kobe Bryant had to wait 2 seasons (!!!!!!!!!!!) behind Eddie Jones, meanwhile we clear the path for both Collin and Garland and Okoro w/o forcing these guys to beat someone out for their spot.
Sexton was handed not only the starting spot, but was allowed to take the most shots in the offense day 1. Sexton's bad habits are a function of this "play the rookies always no matter what in the name of development" mind set. Actual player development happens when expectations are set and practice translates into execution, leading to bigger roles, more practice and more execution.
 
It's beyond growth as players. Sexton's best role isn't as a starting G in the NBA, he's a 6th man. We've had 3 years of him being begged by coaches and teammates to keep the ball moving in the offense and he's still getting side-eyed by his teammates (who the F gets side-eyed by Cedi freakin Osman????).
This would have been discovered earlier if they hadn't insisted on forcing Sexton as a starter. He really needed to beat out Jordan Clarkson.
Bobby Phills had to wait two seasons clawing for minutes from Ehlo, Wilkins, Battle and Mike Sanders.
Terrell Brandon had to earn his time behind Price.. Heck, Kobe Bryant had to wait 2 seasons (!!!!!!!!!!!) behind Eddie Jones, meanwhile we clear the path for both Collin and Garland and Okoro w/o forcing these guys to beat someone out for their spot.
Sexton was handed not only the starting spot, but was allowed to take the most shots in the offense day 1. Sexton's bad habits are a function of this "play the rookies always no matter what in the name of development" mind set. Actual player development happens when expectations are set and practice translates into execution, leading to bigger roles, more practice and more execution.

I love me some good historical references.

This post just made my coffee taste better. Bless you sir :chuckle:
 
Who was sexton going to learn from we had no one on the pt guard or shooting guard to learn from all jordan did was shoot the ball i have follow cavs since they started they always had good pt guards to learn from they had nobody on team that was any good for sexton or garland to learn from jordan career assist avg is 2.5 in the old days we always had good to great pt guard to learn from.
 
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Who was sexton going to learn from we had no one on the pt guard or shooting guard to learn from all jordan did was shoot the ball i have follow cavs since they started they always had good pt guards to learn from they had nobody on team that was any good for sexton or garland to learn from jordan career assist avg is 2.5 in the old days we always had good to great pt guard to learn from.
It doesn't matter who, it matters that he would have beaten a vet out for the spot. They had JC in the 6th man spot as a gunner, could have pointed Collin in that direction and said those minutes are yours if you can beat out JC.
 
It doesn't matter who, it matters that he would have beaten a vet out for the spot. They had JC in the 6th man spot as a gunner, could have pointed Collin in that direction and said those minutes are yours if you can beat out JC.
Check out their averages, JC was only very slightly ahead in pts and percentage in 2018. And for all the crap sexton gets about not passing, he even had better assist numbers than JC that same year, and he had only grown much better in rotating the ball since then.
 
Check out their averages, JC was only very slightly ahead in pts and percentage in 2018. And for all the crap sexton gets about not passing, he even had better assist numbers than JC that same year, and he had only grown much better in rotating the ball since then.
I watched the games.. I know what I'm looking at.
Jordan was a ball hog, which was why they had him coming off the bench. Which is kind of a great role for Sexton. Collin had maybe 8 games last year where I was like, "Whoa!! He's getting it" then he sort of continued this year to the point that I was wondering if it was fair to doubt the kid, then it bottomed out again. Back to tunnel vision.
I don't think Sexton is a bad player, I just don't think he can be your primary scorer and decision maker if you want to win a ton of games.
 
I watched the games.. I know what I'm looking at.
Jordan was a ball hog, which was why they had him coming off the bench. Which is kind of a great role for Sexton. Collin had maybe 8 games last year where I was like, "Whoa!! He's getting it" then he sort of continued this year to the point that I was wondering if it was fair to doubt the kid, then it bottomed out again. Back to tunnel vision.
I don't think Sexton is a bad player, I just don't think he can be your primary scorer and decision maker if you want to win a ton of games.
I agree with you in this particular post, i'm just pointing out that one can make a case sexton played better than JC in 2018 and earned the spot over him and the other cavs guards.
 
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic has Sexon ranked #23 among his top 50 young players. Here's the write-up:

23. Collin Sexton | 6-2 guard, 22 years old | Cleveland Cavaliers | Contract: 2 years, $11.3 million, restricted free agent in 2022 | PR: 22

I was high on Sexton last year and remain high on him into the future. That’s why he stays pretty steady in regard to ranking despite averaging 22.8 points on a 57.5 true-shooting percentage. Simply put, he’s a phenomenal scorer who has worked incredibly hard to round out his overall package of moves. Sexton wasn’t a non-shooter in high school and college, but he was certainly more of a volume shooter that went through bouts of inconsistency. That’s not really the case anymore. We’re at the point where Sexton is just a really good shooter from almost any situation. Off the catch next to Darius Garland, he’s lethal. Off the bounce, if you give him even a sliver of space, he’s going to hurt you and pull up. He’s still a bit more in love with the midrange jumper than you’d like to see, but he makes about 49 percent of those little free throw line pull-ups that he takes a ton of coming off ball screens. There are worse options than that when the shot clock is running down.

Beyond that, Sexton is no longer a substandard finisher. He’s fine for a lead guard. Not above average, but just about average at 53 percent at the rim. Over the last three years, the transformation in his body has been obvious to anyone who has watched the Cavs regularly. He’s gone from being a skinny teenager to a strong guy in his early 20s, which allows him to absorb contact at the basket. For a player like Sexton, who plays with such aggression and seeks contact on his drives, that’s incredibly important. He’ll go up into a rim protector who uses the principle of verticality well and can take the hit, balance himself in mid-air and finish. In this same vein, it’s not an accident that Sexton’s free throw rate continues to rise. He’s lightning quick and can get into the paint with ease but now his added ability to attack the basket with confidence allows him to contact hunt in order to create easy scoring chances. I’d expect at some point he’ll average around seven free throws per game.

The big questions are still pretty simple, though. Is Sexton good enough at playing with others? The Cavs, with Sexton leading the way, still only have the 29th-best offense in the NBA. Now, I don’t know how much I would put on Sexton for this. Andre Drummond’s insistence on getting perimeter possessions to pad his numbers was certainly a bigger detriment. The team’s lack of shooting around Sexton is another. But he does often consistently miss open passing lanes to teammates in a way that is detrimental to ball movement. It would really help the Cavs if he turned some of those midrange pull-ups into cross-corner kick-outs or dump-offs. Additionally, while Sexton’s willingness to fight through screens in recovery has improved, he still gets lost an awful lot away from the ball and gets a tad overaggressive at times. He’s an improved defender but not an average player on that end of the floor yet. And there still remain significant questions as to whether or not Sexton and Garland can combine to be anything resembling a workable defense in the playoffs.

Still, Sexton remains a historically relevant scorer for his age. The Cavs’ guard has a genuinely special skill, and it’s the most important skill you can have in basketball. Now, he just needs to add to the rest of his game to make that scoring translate to winning basketball games at a higher level. I think he’ll probably get there on defense by his mid-20s. But the passing and playmaking for others remain the swing skill that could push him into the stratosphere.
 
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic has Sexon ranked #23 among his top 50 young players. Here's the write-up:

23. Collin Sexton | 6-2 guard, 22 years old | Cleveland Cavaliers | Contract: 2 years, $11.3 million, restricted free agent in 2022 | PR: 22

I was high on Sexton last year and remain high on him into the future. That’s why he stays pretty steady in regard to ranking despite averaging 22.8 points on a 57.5 true-shooting percentage. Simply put, he’s a phenomenal scorer who has worked incredibly hard to round out his overall package of moves. Sexton wasn’t a non-shooter in high school and college, but he was certainly more of a volume shooter that went through bouts of inconsistency. That’s not really the case anymore. We’re at the point where Sexton is just a really good shooter from almost any situation. Off the catch next to Darius Garland, he’s lethal. Off the bounce, if you give him even a sliver of space, he’s going to hurt you and pull up. He’s still a bit more in love with the midrange jumper than you’d like to see, but he makes about 49 percent of those little free throw line pull-ups that he takes a ton of coming off ball screens. There are worse options than that when the shot clock is running down.

Beyond that, Sexton is no longer a substandard finisher. He’s fine for a lead guard. Not above average, but just about average at 53 percent at the rim. Over the last three years, the transformation in his body has been obvious to anyone who has watched the Cavs regularly. He’s gone from being a skinny teenager to a strong guy in his early 20s, which allows him to absorb contact at the basket. For a player like Sexton, who plays with such aggression and seeks contact on his drives, that’s incredibly important. He’ll go up into a rim protector who uses the principle of verticality well and can take the hit, balance himself in mid-air and finish. In this same vein, it’s not an accident that Sexton’s free throw rate continues to rise. He’s lightning quick and can get into the paint with ease but now his added ability to attack the basket with confidence allows him to contact hunt in order to create easy scoring chances. I’d expect at some point he’ll average around seven free throws per game.

The big questions are still pretty simple, though. Is Sexton good enough at playing with others? The Cavs, with Sexton leading the way, still only have the 29th-best offense in the NBA. Now, I don’t know how much I would put on Sexton for this. Andre Drummond’s insistence on getting perimeter possessions to pad his numbers was certainly a bigger detriment. The team’s lack of shooting around Sexton is another. But he does often consistently miss open passing lanes to teammates in a way that is detrimental to ball movement. It would really help the Cavs if he turned some of those midrange pull-ups into cross-corner kick-outs or dump-offs. Additionally, while Sexton’s willingness to fight through screens in recovery has improved, he still gets lost an awful lot away from the ball and gets a tad overaggressive at times. He’s an improved defender but not an average player on that end of the floor yet. And there still remain significant questions as to whether or not Sexton and Garland can combine to be anything resembling a workable defense in the playoffs.

Still, Sexton remains a historically relevant scorer for his age. The Cavs’ guard has a genuinely special skill, and it’s the most important skill you can have in basketball. Now, he just needs to add to the rest of his game to make that scoring translate to winning basketball games at a higher level. I think he’ll probably get there on defense by his mid-20s. But the passing and playmaking for others remain the swing skill that could push him into the stratosphere.
In both this article and the one on Garland, he talks about the possibility of them getting abused on defense in the playoffs. (insert Jim Mora rant here). Umm - the fact that they are getting abused so badly on defense right now is one of the major reasons that we are not a threat to even make the playoffs. Not only are they undersized, neither one has good enough defensive instincts to make up for the physical limitations. Yes, scoring is the "most important skill you can have in basketball". But a close second is "keeping the other guy from scoring more than you". Our best defensive performance in the last 10 was to "hold" a bad OKC offence to 117 and the biggest reason is teams are shooting an insanely high percentage from 3 against us - I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think we've only held a team to under 40% from 3 twice in this losing streak.
 
In both this article and the one on Garland, he talks about the possibility of them getting abused on defense in the playoffs. (insert Jim Mora rant here). Umm - the fact that they are getting abused so badly on defense right now is one of the major reasons that we are not a threat to even make the playoffs. Not only are they undersized, neither one has good enough defensive instincts to make up for the physical limitations. Yes, scoring is the "most important skill you can have in basketball". But a close second is "keeping the other guy from scoring more than you". Our best defensive performance in the last 10 was to "hold" a bad OKC offence to 117 and the biggest reason is teams are shooting an insanely high percentage from 3 against us - I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think we've only held a team to under 40% from 3 twice in this losing streak.
Even when we were winning, opponents were still shooting a stupid high 3% against us.
 
Cavs opponents are hitting 40.5% from three on the season which is last in the league. During this ten game losing streak, they're allowing 45.3% from three.
YIKES! That equals out to around 61% & 68% efg%. I knew we were struggling, but didn't know it was that bad.
 
I don't buy that Sexton is a 6th man BS. He would be starting on quite a few playoff teams (Lakers, Sixers, Mavs). Those teams all have big PG's though. Those are the type of situations where Sexton could thrive and be a legit 2nd/3rd option on a championship type team.
 
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic has Sexon ranked #23 among his top 50 young players. Here's the write-up:

23. Collin Sexton | 6-2 guard, 22 years old | Cleveland Cavaliers | Contract: 2 years, $11.3 million, restricted free agent in 2022 | PR: 22

I was high on Sexton last year and remain high on him into the future. That’s why he stays pretty steady in regard to ranking despite averaging 22.8 points on a 57.5 true-shooting percentage. Simply put, he’s a phenomenal scorer who has worked incredibly hard to round out his overall package of moves. Sexton wasn’t a non-shooter in high school and college, but he was certainly more of a volume shooter that went through bouts of inconsistency. That’s not really the case anymore. We’re at the point where Sexton is just a really good shooter from almost any situation. Off the catch next to Darius Garland, he’s lethal. Off the bounce, if you give him even a sliver of space, he’s going to hurt you and pull up. He’s still a bit more in love with the midrange jumper than you’d like to see, but he makes about 49 percent of those little free throw line pull-ups that he takes a ton of coming off ball screens. There are worse options than that when the shot clock is running down.

Beyond that, Sexton is no longer a substandard finisher. He’s fine for a lead guard. Not above average, but just about average at 53 percent at the rim. Over the last three years, the transformation in his body has been obvious to anyone who has watched the Cavs regularly. He’s gone from being a skinny teenager to a strong guy in his early 20s, which allows him to absorb contact at the basket. For a player like Sexton, who plays with such aggression and seeks contact on his drives, that’s incredibly important. He’ll go up into a rim protector who uses the principle of verticality well and can take the hit, balance himself in mid-air and finish. In this same vein, it’s not an accident that Sexton’s free throw rate continues to rise. He’s lightning quick and can get into the paint with ease but now his added ability to attack the basket with confidence allows him to contact hunt in order to create easy scoring chances. I’d expect at some point he’ll average around seven free throws per game.

The big questions are still pretty simple, though. Is Sexton good enough at playing with others? The Cavs, with Sexton leading the way, still only have the 29th-best offense in the NBA. Now, I don’t know how much I would put on Sexton for this. Andre Drummond’s insistence on getting perimeter possessions to pad his numbers was certainly a bigger detriment. The team’s lack of shooting around Sexton is another. But he does often consistently miss open passing lanes to teammates in a way that is detrimental to ball movement. It would really help the Cavs if he turned some of those midrange pull-ups into cross-corner kick-outs or dump-offs. Additionally, while Sexton’s willingness to fight through screens in recovery has improved, he still gets lost an awful lot away from the ball and gets a tad overaggressive at times. He’s an improved defender but not an average player on that end of the floor yet. And there still remain significant questions as to whether or not Sexton and Garland can combine to be anything resembling a workable defense in the playoffs.

Still, Sexton remains a historically relevant scorer for his age. The Cavs’ guard has a genuinely special skill, and it’s the most important skill you can have in basketball. Now, he just needs to add to the rest of his game to make that scoring translate to winning basketball games at a higher level. I think he’ll probably get there on defense by his mid-20s. But the passing and playmaking for others remain the swing skill that could push him into the stratosphere.
Heard the same thing about Monta Ellis for years. This is written like a Sexton PR firm statement. I just don't see the special skills nor his "fit".
 

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