Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[ansatsusha80]

Yeah they are so sophisticated they said the same thing about NBA finalist Devin Booker prior to last year.

I think Sexton is just not supposed to be the #1 guy on the team. He's not supposed to run the offense. He is a scoring guard. We now have a playmaking forward, so unless it's the fast break, Darius or Mobley should be initiating. Sexton's playmaking should be limited to pick and roll and passing out of the double team.

People will say the same shit over and over to make their point about Sexton. Sexton isnt a pass first guard but he does try to pass it but we had one of the worse spacing in the league. People never bring up the lack of shooters we had and that he average 6 assists with G-leaguers in the last month of the season.


Sexton's primary job is to score and he does that very well. I wish people stop bringing up his assists numbers when he's shown he can do it whenever his teammates make their fucking shots.

 

[J_J]

Is there any stat when Sexton passes the ball to the player who shoots what is the shooter’s percentage. Wondering what the percentage is that person shooting for 2s and 3s when Sexton passes?

 

[CavsKermit]

Yeah they are so sophisticated they said the same thing about NBA finalist Devin Booker prior to last year.

I think Sexton is just not supposed to be the #1 guy on the team. He's not supposed to run the offense. He is a scoring guard. We now have a playmaking forward, so unless it's the fast break, Darius or Mobley should be initiating. Sexton's playmaking should be limited to pick and roll and passing out of the double team.

Booker is not a good comp for Sexton and I really wish people would stop pretending otherwise. Booker is 6'5", and although he's not a good defender, he's nowhere near as bad Sexton. Second, Sexton averages more 2 point FGAs per game, more free throw attempts (although that may change with the rule change), fewer assists, and fewer three point attempts which causes opposing defenses to collapse the paint. This really matters as it negatively impacts the team's overall offense in a way that Booker's game does not.

Finally, and this is important, the opportunity costs for the sun offering Booker a max deal were zilch when it happened. They drafted Jackson, Chriss, and Dragic Bender who were all complete busts. The only other guys on the roster they had to worry about paying were Ayton and Bridges who were on rookie contracts.

Also, Delly was an NBA finalist so let's stop pretending that alone shows someone is worth their contract.

 

[Cavatt]

Booker is not a good comp for Sexton and I really wish people would stop pretending otherwise. Booker is 6'5", and although he's not a good defender, he's nowhere near as bad Sexton. Second, Sexton averages more 2 point FGAs per game, more free throw attempts (although that may change with the rule change), fewer assists, and fewer three point attempts which causes opposing defenses to collapse the paint. This really matters as it negatively impacts the team's overall offense in a way that Booker's game does not.

Finally, and this is important, the opportunity costs for the sun offering Booker a max deal were zilch when it happened. They drafted Jackson, Chriss, and Dragic Bender who were all complete busts. The only other guys on the roster they had to worry about paying were Ayton and Bridges who were on rookie contracts.

Also, Delly was an NBA finalist so let's stop pretending that alone shows someone is worth their contract.

Every single guy ahead of Collin in the scoring department is a star

 

[CavsKermit]

Every single guy ahead of Collin in the scoring department is a star

Only 19 players in the entire league took more shots than him last season.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Only 19 players in the entire league took more shots than him last season.

Well, Sexton is the primary scorer on the team, and those guys are supposed to take the most shots. So more than half of the other teams had primary scorers who took more shots than did Collin.

That seems a point in his favor.

 

[CavsKermit]

Well, Sexton is the primary scorer on the team, and those guys are supposed to take the most shots. So more than half of the other teams had primary scorers who took more shots than did Collin.

That seems a point in his favor.

Except that Westbrook and Beal, Vuc and LaVine, Durant and Irving, Tatum and Brown, CJ and Dame, played on the same teams so not really. Only 13 teams had players who took more shots than Sexton on them, and for the most part, those players do more than just score.

 

[Benway]

Only 19 players in the entire league took more shots than him last season.

I count only 16 players with more FGA, but only 14 players with more points.
107 players (including Garland & Osman) attempted more 3P.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Except that Westbrook and Beal, Vuc and LaVine, Durant and Irving, Tatum and Brown, CJ and Dame, played on the same teams so not really. Only 13 teams had players who took more shots than Sexton on them, and for the most part, those players do more than just score.

Still, his FGA/G are right in line with what you'd expect to see as your team's primary scorer. It would be one thing if he was an inefficient chucker, but he isn't. He's an efficient high volume scorer and those guys are valuable.

 

[Derek]

I count only 16 players with more FGA, but only 14 players with more points.
107 players (including Garland & Osman) attempted more 3P.

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This has him 16th in FGA per game and 22nd in PPG.

I don’t think any of that actually tells us anything important though.

Sure, he’s the least efficient of the top scorers in the league, but he probably shouldn’t be a lead guy. He’s just been stuck as our’s because we’ve been devoid of talent.

 

[CavsKermit]

Still, his FGA/G are right in line with what you'd expect to see as your team's primary scorer. It would be one thing if he was an inefficient chucker, but he isn't. He's an efficient high volume scorer and those guys are valuable.

My issue with his usage is really compounded by where on the court he takes most of those shots. It really collapses the entire defense. Unlike many fans, I think the Cavs would be better off if Sexton attempted 4-6 fewer shots in the paint per game, even if it resulted from him taking 2-4 more three point attempts per game. But the problem with contract-year play is guys are going to try to protect their percentages when they're not feeling it from range.

Also, and this should go without saying, if he expended any energy on the defensive side of the ball. He should be a much better defensive rebounder than he is but he's constantly trying to leak out to take advantage of his speed before we've secured the ball. If he did nothing other than go over picks to contest shooters, it would be a crazy improvement. He's too willing to swap 2 points for 3 points and that will get you beat just as a function of math.

 

[Cavatt]

Only 19 players in the entire league took more shots than him last season.

Only 19 ahead of him in points per 100 possession.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

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This has him 16th in FGA per game and 22nd in PPG.

I don’t think any of that actually tells us anything important though.

Sure, he’s the least efficient of the top scorers in the league, but he probably shouldn’t be a lead guy. He’s just been stuck as our’s because we’ve been devoid of talent.

Came back to this post after reading the SI article about Paul Pierce

Paul Pierce Reflects on a Hall of Fame Career

As the Celtics legend prepares to be enshrined, he is unapologetic about his past—and bullish about his future.

www.si.com

Ainge didn’t see it that way. “Paul was the only untouchable guy on that team,” he says. “The team just wasn’t good enough.” In 2004, Ainge hired Rivers as coach. He and Pierce immediately clashed. “People wouldn’t believe how often we argued,” says Pierce. He recalls countless meetings with Rivers and Ainge that led to heated arguments about his shot selection. “They were always telling me how to play,” says Pierce. “They wanted me to pass the ball more. Well, who did they want me to pass it to? Jiří Welsch? S---, I’d rather take a bad shot than pass it to Jiří Welsch.”

Not saying Sexton is a HOF player but I find stuff like this interesting. You want to build good habits and play the right way, but with horrible talent around you, guys naturally lose faith in their teammates (won't find a worse scoring and three point shooting team than the Cavs). I never watch Sexton thinking he shoots too much, if anything I feel like he goes long periods of over-passing (Cavs tend to pass a ton without much purpose and the end results usually isn't pretty) but the issue for him is that he has frozen in key moments (missing an obvious pass or picking up the dribble early) that have become more memorable.

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

Came back to this post after reading the SI article about Paul Pierce

Paul Pierce Reflects on a Hall of Fame Career

As the Celtics legend prepares to be enshrined, he is unapologetic about his past—and bullish about his future.

www.si.com

Ainge didn’t see it that way. “Paul was the only untouchable guy on that team,” he says. “The team just wasn’t good enough.” In 2004, Ainge hired Rivers as coach. He and Pierce immediately clashed. “People wouldn’t believe how often we argued,” says Pierce. He recalls countless meetings with Rivers and Ainge that led to heated arguments about his shot selection. “They were always telling me how to play,” says Pierce. “They wanted me to pass the ball more. Well, who did they want me to pass it to? Jiří Welsch? S---, I’d rather take a bad shot than pass it to Jiří Welsch.”

Not saying Sexton is a HOF player but I find stuff like this interesting. You want to build good habits and play the right way, but with horrible talent around you, guys naturally lose faith in their teammates (won't find a worse scoring and three point shooting team than the Cavs). I never watch Sexton thinking he shoots too much, if anything I feel like he goes long periods of over-passing (Cavs tend to pass a ton without much purpose and the end results usually isn't pretty) but the issue for him is that he has frozen in key moments (missing an obvious pass or picking up the dribble early) that have become more memorable.

This real right here

 

[Cavatt]

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This has him 16th in FGA per game and 22nd in PPG.

I don’t think any of that actually tells us anything important though.

Sure, he’s the least efficient of the top scorers in the league, but he probably shouldn’t be a lead guy. He’s just been stuck as our’s because we’ve been devoid of talent.

People are having trouble interpreting this data, but I am not. He is one of the least efficient top scorers in the league on a team with the worst spacing in the league, and he is still top 5 scoring in the paint.

It's easy to understand that if he got some better spacing he'd be a more efficient scorer.

And yeah, taking a higher percentage of his shots from 3 should also be a focus.