Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[bs80]

but the team needs to make a fair one first to send the message the team wants him back. the agent can then counter with whatever other teams are offering. if the cavs don't come up with an offer first, it's basically saying "we don't want our best scorer back", and i don't think you want that message.

the team needs collin back on a reasonable deal, you don't start that process by sending the wrong message.

Though the player and dynamics are not the same, this is sort of how we handled JA's RFA negotiations. Rather than nickel and dime him by asking him to find an offer sheet for us to match, we made him a good-faith offer and he accepted. And JA seems to really enjoy being a part of this organization now.

Keeping players happy and gaining the good will of agents is far from the main objective, but it counts for something. I wouldn't mind if the Cavs left the same offer from before the season started on the table. Even if Collin thinks he deserves more, this at least lets him know that the Cavs are not slapping him in the face by trying to take advantage of his injury.

And for all the talk here about how Sexton would consider playing on the QO because he is the type to bet on himself, I'd be surprised if this injury didn't spook him in that regard. Even if he has complete faith in his abilities in the court, this has to be a sobering reminder that shit happens outside of his control and that securing his first real bag is something worth strongly considering. If the Cavs do indeed keep the same offer on the table and Collin ends up accepting it, then he could convince himself that the meniscus tear didn't cost him any money at the end of the day.

 

[Cavatt]

I keep watching the defensive plays guys are making and getting the ball ahead only for the guy not to finish or pull it back out. Can't help but thing Collin would be capitalizing there.

Man, I wish he could come back at the end of the year.

Keep seeing where the guys can't score in the 4th because only the mid range is open and miss his 15 foot game.

 

[dms]

The Cavs should make it absolutely clear that if Sexton's future is in Cleveland, it means a role off the bench.

It would be a disaster to give him any type of a "Top Dog" contract. That would just set up a weird power dynamic for the coming years, when Mobley should be taking his place as the face of the franchise

You're right, the Cavs should make it clear that Okoro and his 30% shooting is the future, damn 20+ efficient points a game. That's easy to replace on the cheap, their are free agents galore just hoping to sign in Cleveland, we certainly don't need to try to keep those who want to be here.
No one is saying Sexton is a max player, but some of these posts border on lunacy. Yeah, we are going to make it absolutely clear to a 24 point a game scorer that he can't start for us even though we have a black hole at that position right now. Makes perfect sense. And we should be afraid to give Sexton 20 million a year because it may upset a guy who will get 60 million a year on his next deal if he pans out as many expect?

 

[Cavatt]

You're right, the Cavs should make it clear that Okoro and his 30% shooting is the future, damn 20+ efficient points a game. That's easy to replace on the cheap, their are free agents galore just hoping to sign in Cleveland, we certainly don't need to try to keep those who want to be here.
No one is saying Sexton is a max player, but some of these posts border on lunacy. Yeah, we are going to make it absolutely clear to a 24 point a game scorer that he can't start for us even though we have a black hole at that position right now. Makes perfect sense. And we should be afraid to give Sexton 20 million a year because it may upset a guy who will get 60 million a year on his next deal if he pans out as many expect?

Even the range Sexton's agent wanted is less than the max Mobley will get.

Very curious about what trouble DG and Klutch will cause this offseason. Will they take less than the Max? Will it take more than what Allen got?

 

[weepinwillow]

You're right, the Cavs should make it clear that Okoro and his 30% shooting is the future, damn 20+ efficient points a game. That's easy to replace on the cheap, their are free agents galore just hoping to sign in Cleveland, we certainly don't need to try to keep those who want to be here.
No one is saying Sexton is a max player, but some of these posts border on lunacy. Yeah, we are going to make it absolutely clear to a 24 point a game scorer that he can't start for us even though we have a black hole at that position right now. Makes perfect sense. And we should be afraid to give Sexton 20 million a year because it may upset a guy who will get 60 million a year on his next deal if he pans out as many expect?

The blackhole is no longer in the orbit of the Starter's universe and the ball is moving side to side, in and out and good shots are being created, while the team defense is contesting shots, getting blocks and controlling the boards by and large. The bench goes through lulls where nobody can create a bucket at times, and late in games they don't have a great option for a "go-get-this bucket" guy.

Seems to me that most of what is missing is a super-6th man who can create his own shot. If I could put my finger on a guy who has those qualities on the roster currently, I would. Oh well.

 

[Kizzle]

What a shitty turn of events for Collin in a contract year. Team looks playoff bound without him, another guy at his position is stepping up and his future asking price is now lower due to injury history


I honestly think we will be the only team to offer anything

 

[Cassity14]

What a shitty turn of events for Collin in a contract year. Team looks playoff bound without him, another guy at his position is stepping up and his future asking price is now lower due to injury history


I honestly think we will be the only team to offer anything

Yeah, it definitely sucks for Sexton.

However, it's pretty much the best case scenario for the Cavs' future success. They shouldn't have to make the assumed binary decision of committing to him as a 'core' piece at an inflated salary or trade him for pennies. They should be able to bring him back at a reasonable contract and keep him around for a long time as a scoring expert as either a starter or a 6th man.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I think the best thing the Cavs could do with Sexton this off-season barring an unexpected trade is to resign him, obviously he will not get the money he was hoping to get…but I’m sure there is a fair number that can be worked out. I’d assume it will probably be about $15-16 million a year maybe? 5/80.

Not comparing him to Curry as a player, obviously…but the Warriors despite a ton of ankle problems and up and down performances…gave Curry a long term deal for like 11 million a year and it ended up being part of what got them Durant and such. He got his body right and exploded.

The Cavs should show faith in Sexton with a long term offer that gives him security and a decent pay day…and I believe he will reward that by out producing the contract and becoming extremely valuable.

 

[cavsfever]

So I'm seeing the Curry analogy used for Garland and now Sexton....looks like we have two Stephen Currys! Going to be the greatest team of all time!

 

[Cassity14]

I think the best thing the Cavs could do with Sexton this off-season barring an unexpected trade is to resign him, obviously he will not get the money he was hoping to get…but I’m sure there is a fair number that can be worked out. I’d assume it will probably be about $15-16 million a year maybe? 5/80.

Not comparing him to Curry as a player, obviously…but the Warriors despite a ton of ankle problems and up and down performances…gave Curry a long term deal for like 11 million a year and it ended up being part of what got them Durant and such. He got his body right and exploded.

The Cavs should show faith in Sexton with a long term offer that gives him security and a decent pay day…and I believe he will reward that by out producing the contract and becoming extremely valuable.

Yep. From the Cavs' position, I think it's a no brainer. Talented young dude at a reasonable price? Absolutely. 5/80 is the same number I came to in my head the other day, and I'm not against adding incentives to get it up to Jarrett Allen money.

By the way, Allen's massive season should impact Sexton contract talks. The Cavs will have plenty of leverage to show his impact on winning compared to the contract they signed him to.

The Cavs getting Sexton at 16 AAV would be an absolute steal. He's an extremely positive asset at that price to anyone in the league, particularly the Cavs. It wouldn't impact their ability to retain and even build around their core 3 guys while also giving them another difference maker at an important position and role.

 

[Kiddo]

Unless you can trade Collin for a really good 3&D wing or attach him to our pick next year for a better pick, I'm keeping him. Him and Okoro coming off the bench should be our long term goal.

 

[cliffdawg]

I could see 5/80 but it definitely will have a player opt out option after 3, because that kid will work his ass off to out play that contract…….

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

So I'm seeing the Curry analogy used for Garland and now Sexton....looks like we have two Stephen Currys! Going to be the greatest team of all time!

I was clearly making a point about a contract situation, not a player or gameplay comparison. I even notated it in the post, lol.

 

[cavsfever]

Sure, but the contract situation cannot be separated from the player or gameplay. Obviously a smart contract for one player would be a dumb contract for another and it depends entirely on their skill and potential.

 

[Dr No]

Just thinking - not proposing - and wondering what others are thinking: I think Sexton is a very good player with a bright future. But with the way we are playing without him, it becomes a question of what is best for both him and the team. I think his career could be limited as he moves from being featured to becoming more of a role player - because with the emerging core 3 that's what its looking like he will become here. His potential to be a featured player, and therefore his future earnings, will be limited if he stays with the Cavs. On the Cavs side, the team has to ask if he's really the best use of a the kind of money that they might have to spend to keep him. We don't seem to have missed him much. What works for the Cavs is to sign him to a lesser number and have an excellent role player. What works for Collin is to be in a place where the ball is in his hands a lot so he can do what he does best - score. I have to wonder if this is just one of those situations that what is best for both parties is to part ways - no one's fault. Just the nature of the business.