Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[CavsKermit]

This rumour comes up every now and then, and it is still blatantly false. Lauri wanted from Bulls either 52-55mio/3years or 65-70mio/4years. Bulls offered him 33mio/3 years with the 3rd year being TO. After it was apparent the gap was way too big for sane negotiations, Lauri and Bulls agreed they both would be looking for S&T options

Cavs offered him what he had been asking for from Bulls, and the deal was struck very fast (in a couple days from the first contact, as far as I have heard).

I mean there's like a half a dozen articles out of Chicago media that he wanted $20M, he may have dropped that ask as things wore on, but when they parted ways at the extension table, I have no reason to believe the reporting was false.

Bulls trade forward Lauri Markkanen to Cavaliers in three-team deal

The Bulls acquired high-flying forward Derrick Jones Jr. from the Trail Blazers and two draft picks — one lottery-protected — in return.

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[Swuul]

I mean there's like a half a dozen articles out of Chicago media that he wanted $20M, he may have dropped that ask as things wore on, but when they parted ways at the extension table, I have no reason to believe the reporting was false.

Bulls trade forward Lauri Markkanen to Cavaliers in three-team deal

The Bulls acquired high-flying forward Derrick Jones Jr. from the Trail Blazers and two draft picks — one lottery-protected — in return.

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Doesn't change the fact the rumour is false. Somebody pulled that 20mio out of thin air, and it began to live its own life. The challenge in the S&T deals was that Bulls wanted in exchange a rotational player AND a pick, and that was what put off the other suitors (because of the 150% rookie salary rule in S&T deals).

 

[Douglar]

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Surprisingly optimistic forecast for free agent #7 out of 7

Collin Sexton, Cleveland Cavaliers, restricted​

2021-22 stats: 16.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.1 apg​

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It’s likely Sexton is returning to Cleveland, as there appears to be a desire from both sides to get a deal done. The 23-year-old played just 11 games last season before suffering a torn meniscus that forced him to miss the rest of 2021-22. Sexton averaged 20-plus points in the two seasons prior to 2021-22. So, while Darius Garland has emerged as an All-Star, there’s still room for a scorer like Sexton.​

 

[inliner311]

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Surprisingly optimistic forecast for free agent #7 out of 7

Collin Sexton, Cleveland Cavaliers, restricted​

2021-22 stats: 16.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.1 apg​

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It’s likely Sexton is returning to Cleveland, as there appears to be a desire from both sides to get a deal done. The 23-year-old played just 11 games last season before suffering a torn meniscus that forced him to miss the rest of 2021-22. Sexton averaged 20-plus points in the two seasons prior to 2021-22. So, while Darius Garland has emerged as an All-Star, there’s still room for a scorer like Sexton.​

He is the 7th out of 7 because...
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[madmadworld]

I hope we keep Sexy. could be sixth man of the year. playing a lot with Rubio. just don't know if he would accept that role.

 

[AZCavs]

I came here for the measured comments about Sexton due to the Cavs subreddit treating Collin as an irreplaceable player and labelling him solely responsible for the change in culture over the last four years. It's maddeningly laughable.

Good player. Wouldn't mind if he stays for the right money and role, but he sure as hell has NOT been a vital part to this team's resurgence as most of the players he played with the previous 3 years are gone and the players most responsible for the Cavs revival he's barely played with. His injury definitely freed up Garland and helped unleash his potential.

 

[BodegaBayCav]

If I am Sexton, I am taking the 3 year offer from the Cavs. $40-50M is a lifetime of security. If he plays for the QO, 7.2 M, are the Cavs going to give him the minutes to increase his value. I don't think so. The Cavs will not have an incentive to play you when you can simply walk at season's end.

He may get a few minutes behind Neto at back up pg until Rubio returns, but most of his minutes will come at the two and he is already behind LeVert and Okoro. Agbaji will also get some minutes at the 2.

Last year our defense first coach, JBB wanted to start Okoro ahead of Sexton and was over-ruled by Koby. Sexton will likely be the worst defender on the team. Is JBB going to carve out more than 15-20 minutes a game for Sexton. What is your value to the league if you are putting up 10 pts and 2 assists with terrible defense. Take the three year option and give the Cavs an incentive to play you, even if it is only to trade you at the deadline.

Fire Klutch and save the commision. They are only looking out for their big clients.

 

[buzzdog]

If I am Sexton, I am taking the 3 year offer from the Cavs. $40-50M is a lifetime of security. If he plays for the QO, 7.2 M, are the Cavs going to give him the minutes to increase his value. I don't think so. The Cavs will not have an incentive to play you when you can simply walk at season's end.

He may get a few minutes behind Neto at back up pg until Rubio returns, but most of his minutes will come at the two and he is already behind LeVert and Okoro. Agbaji will also get some minutes at the 2.

Last year our defense first coach, JBB wanted to start Okoro ahead of Sexton and was over-ruled by Koby. Sexton will likely be the worst defender on the team. Is JBB going to carve out more than 15-20 minutes a game for Sexton. What is your value to the league if you are putting up 10 pts and 2 assists with terrible defense. Take the three year option and give the Cavs an incentive to play you, even if it is only to trade you at the deadline.

Fire Klutch and save the commision. They are only looking out for their big clients.

You make some good points. Can Sexton accept the qualifying offer under the condition that he gets a sign and trade to a contender where he fits into the roster and can be an asset? If that's a possibility then I'd think that's his best option. Next best option is to accept the Cavs offer but keep the length as short as possible, and get to his next contract soon as possible.

 

[CavsKermit]

You make some good points. Can Sexton accept the qualifying offer under the condition that he gets a sign and trade to a contender where he firs the roster and can be an asset? If that's a possibility then I'd think that's his best option. Next best option is to accept the Cavs offer but keep the length as short as possible, and get to his next contract soon as possible.

Sexton will only accept a trade to a team that will have cap space next off season because whoever he's traded to won't have his Bird rights, and he absolutely can veto a trade if he's playing on the Q.O.

 

[CavsKermit]

If I am Sexton, I am taking the 3 year offer from the Cavs. $40-50M is a lifetime of security. If he plays for the QO, 7.2 M, are the Cavs going to give him the minutes to increase his value. I don't think so. The Cavs will not have an incentive to play you when you can simply walk at season's end.

He may get a few minutes behind Neto at back up pg until Rubio returns, but most of his minutes will come at the two and he is already behind LeVert and Okoro. Agbaji will also get some minutes at the 2.

Last year our defense first coach, JBB wanted to start Okoro ahead of Sexton and was over-ruled by Koby. Sexton will likely be the worst defender on the team. Is JBB going to carve out more than 15-20 minutes a game for Sexton. What is your value to the league if you are putting up 10 pts and 2 assists with terrible defense. Take the three year option and give the Cavs an incentive to play you, even if it is only to trade you at the deadline.

Fire Klutch and save the commision. They are only looking out for their big clients.

I would hope that decisions involving minutes and roles would be solely based on what gives the Cavs the best chances at winning regardless of whether Sexton plays on the Q.O., or not. I think Sexton's best role is as a sixth man. He should play as many minutes in that role as he's able so long as he's a net positive on the court. The Cavs should not be cutting anyone's minutes due to contract concerns. That's bush league stuff.

 

[BodegaBayCav]

I would hope that decisions involving minutes and roles would be solely based on what gives the Cavs the best chances at winning regardless of whether Sexton plays on the Q.O., or not. I think Sexton's best role is as a sixth man. He should play as many minutes in that role as he's able so long as he's a net positive on the court. The Cavs should not be cutting anyone's minutes due to contract concerns. That's bush league stuff.

The problem for Sexton is that on the whole, he has never been a net positive on the court. Not in any year. I doubt that his knee injury is going to help his Defense and Court Vision.

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[Randolphkeys]

Let's say everything goes perfectly for Sexton this season. He has an amazing year where he proves he can play a little point guard and he improves scoring efficiency. He does so on the qualifying offer.

Playing on the Q.O. ends up losing Sexton a lot of money over the next four years anyways. If he plays this season at 7.3 when he could have started this season for twice that amount, he needs to get that 18 million per year to make up the 6-7 million he leaves on the table this year alone... and next year has a deeper unrestricted free agent class.

It's just not an educated risk for Sexton's own benefit at this point.

 

[inliner311]

Sexton will only accept a trade to a team that will have cap space next off season because whoever he's traded to won't have his Bird rights, and he absolutely can veto a trade if he's playing on the Q.O.

Just to add to this, when a player plays on the QO they have a no trade clause. I'm not sure it's common knowledge and a player vetoing a trade just seems to not have the same definition as it once did since player empowerment.

 

[CavsKermit]

Just to add to this, when a player plays on the QO they have a no trade clause. I'm not sure it's common knowledge and a player vetoing a trade just seems to not have the same definition as it once did since player empowerment.

I mean if things aren't working out with Sexton and the Cavs, and he thinks a bigger role on a different team that will have cap space the following summer will help, I could see him signing off on such a trade. Whether the potential trade partner would offer anything that interests the Cavs is an entirely different issue.

I think best case scenario would be like Gary Harris from Orlando if Suggs sucks again next year.

 

[CavsKermit]

The problem for Sexton is that on the whole, he has never been a net positive on the court. Not in any year. I doubt that his knee injury is going to help his Defense and Court Vision.

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I get that, and if that's the case with him as a sixth man, it's fair for JBB to dial back his minutes. But if he's a net positive off the bench, then you don't cut his minutes because you're worried about how expensive it will be to retain him. That's a great way to alienate not just Klutch and Sexton, but agents and players across the league.