Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Lee]

Could someone explain why Collin is worth $13 mil a year while Cavs might be willing to trade for Donovan Mitchell @ $28 mill a year and surrender some young talent and some picks?

I am in no way trying to underestimate Spida, but how does he fit in Cavs' current roster where Collin seems like a huge misfit to a lot of people?

We have no real idea how much interest we have in Mitchell, it might be Koby just doing his job of turning under every rock and making a call, it might be serious.

But lets not assume too much just because we are mentioned, these "interest" rumors can sometimes be vastly over rated.

 

[dms]

Could someone explain why Collin is worth $13 mil a year while Cavs might be willing to trade for Donovan Mitchell @ $28 mill a year and surrender some young talent and some picks?

I am in no way trying to underestimate Spida, but how does he fit in Cavs' current roster where Collin seems like a huge misfit to a lot of people?

28 million????
Hah!! That was last year, he'll get an average of 34 million a year over the next four.
If they are truly interested in Mitchell it's bizarre. There's not that much of a difference between Sexton (if healthy) and Mitchell, Mitchell is better in that he shoots more threes, but Sexton has been trending up in those and efficiency wise they are close to even plus Sexton usually was being double teamed while Mitchell had great spacing with shooters galore in Utah. They are both 6'1" and if anything Sexton's D has been better than Mitchell's. Again, if it was an even trade I'd take Mitchell for the spacing he provides, but not at double the salary and certainly not having to throw in players and picks.

 

[backstreet hooper]

The next Cavs’ news I’m expecting is Cedi/Stevens/Windler get traded to bring in the cash needed to raise the offer to sign Sexton. Klutch will want to squeeze as much dough as possible out of Koby, so it shouldn’t surprise me if we don’t know until a day or two before the season starts whether Sexton signs the upgraded offer or does the QO. I predicted earlier that he signs a 2-year or 3-year deal because I believe the Cavs want to see what they can do with Sexton on board and Sexton wants to be part of the super-exciting Cavs. I don’t think there’s any hostility or anything with the negotiations. Business as usual for both parties who know the negotiation game.

 

[foucault87]

The next Cavs’ news I’m expecting is Cedi/Stevens/Windler get traded to bring in the cash needed to raise the offer to sign Sexton. Klutch will want to squeeze as much dough as possible out of Koby, so it shouldn’t surprise me if we don’t know until a day or two before the season starts whether Sexton signs the upgraded offer or does the QO. I predicted earlier that he signs a 2-year or 3-year deal because I believe the Cavs want to see what they can do with Sexton on board and Sexton wants to be part of the super-exciting Cavs. I don’t think there’s any hostility or anything with the negotiations. Business as usual for both parties who know the negotiation game.

Windler sure, but I Wade and Stevens both have more value than Collin and id rather let him take the QO. No need for us to do this. We offered a fair deal for him and its up to him to accept at this point

 

[dms]

Windler sure, but I Wade and Stevens both have more value than Collin and id rather let him take the QO. No need for us to do this. We offered a fair deal for him and its up to him to accept at this point

Wade and Stevens both have move value than Sexton???

Hell, why not Windler and Tacko too???

Sexton scores 24 a game on 48% and he has less value than 2 guys who don't see the court half of the games

Unbelievable.

 

[Derek]

The next Cavs’ news I’m expecting is Cedi/Stevens/Windler get traded to bring in the cash needed to raise the offer to sign Sexton. Klutch will want to squeeze as much dough as possible out of Koby, so it shouldn’t surprise me if we don’t know until a day or two before the season starts whether Sexton signs the upgraded offer or does the QO. I predicted earlier that he signs a 2-year or 3-year deal because I believe the Cavs want to see what they can do with Sexton on board and Sexton wants to be part of the super-exciting Cavs. I don’t think there’s any hostility or anything with the negotiations. Business as usual for both parties who know the negotiation game.

Sexton isn’t getting an upgraded offer. If the Cavs wanted to dump guys to pay him more, that would’ve already been done.

Best shot he has is if they agree to rescind the QO and sign him to a two-year deal. Otherwise, it’s QO or the current offer.

Sexton’s camp is probably very unhappy right now since the team isn’t even negotiating with them.

 

[Derek]

Wade and Stevens both have move value than Sexton???

Hell, why not Windler and Tacko too???

Sexton scores 24 a game on 48% and he has less value than 2 guys who don't see the court half of the games

Unbelievable.

It might not be entirely true, but I’d say their value is similar. That’s mostly just because Sexton has no trade value at all. If he did, he’d be gone already.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Sexton’s camp is probably very unhappy right now since the team isn’t even negotiating with them.

I really appreciate your posts and agree with most of it, but I don't think it's accurate to say "the Cavs aren't negotiating with them." A few weeks ago, some source leaked that the Cavs raised their offer. Afterwards, we have not heard about either side moving closer to the middle. If Klutch thinks "negotiating" is one-side moving and the other side standing firm, they don't know what the word means.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but don't forget that this is still a pretty cordial negotiation. We haven't seen the media used for airing dirty laundry or forcing a trade. This is a negotiation that stretched two long years. Collin had a contract agreement this time last year, and he dropped out and didn't sign. I can't imagine how frustrating that was for our front office, yet a year later the negotiation is still polite.

 

[Derek]

I really appreciate your posts and agree with most of it, but I don't think it's accurate to say "the Cavs aren't negotiating with them." A few weeks ago, some source leaked that the Cavs raised their offer. Afterwards, we have not heard about either side moving closer to the middle. If Klutch thinks "negotiating" is one-side moving and the other side standing firm, they don't know what the word means.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but don't forget that this is still a pretty cordial negotiation. We haven't seen the media used for airing dirty laundry or forcing a trade. This is a negotiation that stretched two long years. Collin had a contract agreement this time last year, and he dropped out and didn't sign. I can't imagine how frustrating that was for our front office, yet a year later the negotiation is still polite.

Didn’t catch that report. I was going mostly off what we’ve heard around here. Apologies for potentially incorrect information.

 

[foucault87]

Wade and Stevens both have move value than Sexton???

Hell, why not Windler and Tacko too???

Sexton scores 24 a game on 48% and he has less value than 2 guys who don't see the court half of the games

Unbelievable.

Im with @Derek here. Collin is the better player, but not as valuable overall. Why haven't we heard of any offers with a FRP or a realistic SnT yet? 15m is a good value for him at the moment.

Wade and Stevens are both our best defensive options against big wings. Are they stoppers like Maxi or Mikal? No. But they are our best options at the most important role in the NBA.

Collin Sexton is a small guard who is not a primary playmaker, a defensive liability, and an elite scorer. That is a role that is far easier to fill. Isaiah Thomas is right there. Therese like 2 of these guys every draft. He is a better player but far far more replaceable. There is a path for him to up his value, but we need to see better playmaking and improved defensive awareness

 

[Randolphkeys]

Im with @Derek here. Collin is the better player, but not as valuable overall. Why haven't we heard of any offers with a FRP or a realistic SnT yet? 15m is a good value for him at the moment.

Wade and Stevens are both our best defensive options against big wings. Are they stoppers like Maxi or Mikal? No. But they are our best options at the most important role in the NBA.

Collin Sexton is a small guard who is not a primary playmaker, a defensive liability, and an elite scorer. That is a role that is far easier to fill. Isaiah Thomas is right there. Therese like 2 of these guys every draft. He is a better player but far far more replaceable. There is a path for him to up his value, but we need to see better playmaking and improved defensive awareness

The most glaring reason his value isn't too high right now is he demands way more money than he is worth. If he agrees to the long-term deal at market price tomorrow, his value shoots back up.

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

The most glaring reason his value isn't too high right now is he demands way more money than he is worth. If he agrees to the long-term deal at market price tomorrow, his value shoots back up.

And that’s why he signed klutch. I knew the negotiations was going to be looong and brutal. O well September is around the corner and something has to get done soon

 

[backstreet hooper]

Windler sure, but I Wade and Stevens both have more value than Collin and id rather let him take the QO. No need for us to do this. We offered a fair deal for him and its up to him to accept at this point

I said Cedi, not Wade in my post. I like Wade, I don't want to move him. I like Cedi, too, when given the right role, but the Cavs need to move someone (Windler, Stevens, Osman) if they want to raise the offer for Sexton. They are weighing all options obviously.

 

[foucault87]

I said Cedi, not Wade in my post. I like Wade, I don't want to move him. I like Cedi, too, when given the right role, but the Cavs need to move someone (Windler, Stevens, Osman) if they want to raise the offer for Sexton. They are weighing all options obviously.

I cannot read clearly. Agree with you on Cedi

 

[CavsKermit]

Could someone explain why Collin is worth $13 mil a year while Cavs might be willing to trade for Donovan Mitchell @ $28 mill a year and surrender some young talent and some picks?

I am in no way trying to underestimate Spida, but how does he fit in Cavs' current roster where Collin seems like a huge misfit to a lot of people?

Those talks were reportedly very brief and are already over. But if choice was Sexton at $20M per, or Mitchell on his deal, it's an easy enough choice.