Darius Kinnard Garland

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White is not the better pick

way too early to say that! It will be annoying if he ends up a better player because we had a pick before him, pretty straight forward really.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

way too early to say that! It will be annoying if he ends up a better player because we had a pick before him, pretty straight forward really.

He is a combo guard and was not and shouldn't have been picked in the top 5. Even if he becomes better than Darius.
It is what it is, not every player that s selected after your pick and becomes better is supposed to be your pick in retrospect. Picking White ahead of Garland was to even in the Cavs minds, and rightfully so.

 

[Cavatt]

Agreed 100%. Not saying Garland and Sexton are guaranteed to meet their full potential as a combo, but what exactly does “impeding both players from progressing” mean? Defensively maybe, but Giving Garland more time on the floor without sexton doesn’t do anything for Garland other than take away a scorer. Trading away Sexton and bringing in a wing or big with upside does what exactly? Other than automatically eliminating 15 points that Sexton will put up. Is Garland going to make that up? Unless Garland becomes a 30ish PPG scorer than is a wasted effort - and how long would it take Garland to get to that level anyways? Plus, I think Garland is too much of a facilitator to get to a 30 pt. Avg. (at least in the next 3-4 yrs). He is not a Curry IMO, his passing comes more natural than Curry’s. It’s true that Sexton and Garland maybe shouldn’t co-exist in the same lineup, but there’s no way you pull the plug anytime soon, before Garland gets his feet wet, Sexton settles into year two, and their chemistry starts to build.

If Windler or KpJ can take it away from Sexton then they should do it. Right now Sexton helps Darius more as a scoring option that needs to be accounted for. I also think Sexton will be better next year after learning from Beilein for awhile.

If he can't learn to make easy reads, he won't stay in the starting lineup.

 

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He is a combo guard and was not and shouldn't have been picked in the top 5. Even if he becomes better than Darius.
It is what it is, not every player that s selected after your pick and becomes better is supposed to be your pick in retrospect. Picking White ahead of Garland was to even in the Cavs minds, and rightfully so.

Don't really care where players are 'meant' to go, just want the cavs to pick the best player.. still think it will be Garland personally but gee its annoying seeing White do so well early
I personally really liked both pre-draft. I am fan of pg's that can shoot, its a pretty big concern for Morant who in my opinion is more suited to the previous era.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

If Windler or KpJ can take it away from Sexton then they should do it. Right now Sexton helps Darius more as a scoring option that needs to be accounted for. I also think Sexton will be better next year after learning from Beilein for awhile.

If he can't learn to make easy reads, he won't stay in the starting lineup.

Can't wait till Windler comes back. FUCK.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Don't really care where players are 'meant' to go, just want the cavs to pick the best player.. still think it will be Garland personally but gee its annoying seeing White do so well early
I personally really liked both pre-draft. I am fan of pg's that can shoot, its a pretty big concern for Morant who in my opinion is more suited to the previous era.

It matters when there are clear cut better prospects.
Overreacting because White has shot well on a muuuuuch better team is a bit premature, don't you think? Relax, and let Garland grow...his projection and skill set fits this team and the NBA better. This is my opinion, you can have yours. I just hope you don't overwork yourself with that...
A lot of rookies will have better games at times, just meaningless background noise. Careers are not determined by 1 game or 1 season.

As far as Ja Morant is concerned, his 3pt shot will be a really big work in progress as well as his strength on both sides of the floor. he is reckless attacking the basket and that is dangerous.

 

[Goldin Brown]

way too early to say that! It will be annoying if he ends up a better player because we had a pick before him, pretty straight forward really.

I actually like Coby White quite a bit, would not be surprised if he became a useful player, but you're looking for stars with top 5 picks. Coby looks like a role player to me, it's rare to find combo guards who become star players, I would be shocked if Coby was one. You also shouldn't make too much of early season games, I mean, Sexton looked absolutely dreadful his first like 5 or 6 games. There are also guys like Brandon Jennings who looked amazing as rookies. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

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It matters when there are clear cut better prospects.
Overreacting because White has shot well on a muuuuuch better team is a bit premature, don't you think? Relax, and let Garland grow...his projection and skill set fits this team and the NBA better. This is my opinion, you can have yours. I just hope you don't overwork yourself with that...
A lot of rookies will have better games at times, just meaningless background noise. Careers are not determined by 1 game or 1 season.

As far as Ja Morant is concerned, his 3pt shot will be a really big work in progress as well as his strength on both sides of the floor. he is reckless attacking the basket and that is dangerous.

Im not over reacting I’m just saying it’s annoying. I would have drafted Garland at pick 2 I liked him that much and feel his game matched what all the top pg’s are doing. Still annoys me to see another pg start off so well though. I think White is a better version of Sexton kind of, basically a bigger Sexton with more playmaking.

Morant I’m just not seeing him carry a team anywhere super meaningful, he’s sought of Rose/Westbrook type which was good 10 years ago.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Im not over reacting I’m just saying it’s annoying. I would have drafted Garland at pick 2 I liked him that much and feel his game matched what all the top pg’s are doing. Still annoys me to see another pg start off so well though. I think White is a better version of Sexton kind of, basically a bigger Sexton with more playmaking.

Morant I’m just not seeing him carry a team anywhere super meaningful, he’s sought of Rose/Westbrook type which was good 10 years ago.

White's shooting is unsustainable.
I think he is too small and generates too little steals to be an average defender for his position. To me he projects as a gunner off the bench. Ben Gordon type.
But who knows really. He looks like those 4 OBPM, -1.5-2 DBPM type of combo guards as his ceiling.

Don't see Morant as Rose/Westbrook. Don't know what I really see him in yet. He has the Westbrook mindset without the strength and the same athelticism with the passing of Rondo without the IQ (as far as pace, finishing go) and defense.

 

[SanduskyCav]

Im not over reacting I’m just saying it’s annoying. I would have drafted Garland at pick 2 I liked him that much and feel his game matched what all the top pg’s are doing. Still annoys me to see another pg start off so well though. I think White is a better version of Sexton kind of, basically a bigger Sexton with more playmaking.

Morant I’m just not seeing him carry a team anywhere super meaningful, he’s sought of Rose/Westbrook type which was good 10 years ago.

This forum has a bad habit of creating judgement on an extremely small sample size. Garland has played 1 NBA game, White has played 2. We are really going to start evaluating players already?

 

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This forum has a bad habit of creating judgement on an extremely small sample size. Garland has played 1 NBA game, White has played 2. We are really going to start evaluating players already?

Or this forum has posters with a bad habit of always looking for an arguement, I literally said I am annoyed at the hot start not that white was better player... I have had to go back and read my post to make sure I didn’t say something else..

 

[BlessEm]

Sometimes I just dont understand ya'll

How come we are still frequently talking about trading Colin or already labeling him a 6th man...

The kid is 20 years old.. just like top draft picks from this year , Ja Morant/Cam Reddish/Jarrett Culver etc.

After 1 year as a 19 year old in the NBA he put up 17/3/3 shooting 40%+ from 3?

Why not let see what the kid can do with a year experience and putting another playmaker and ball handler on the court with him that can relieve some ball handling duties and letting him be more of a scorer?

 

[BlessEm]

I mean is it really that crazy to think of a small backcourt with 2 ball handlers? We all know about Lillard and CJ...now Curry and Russell, Raptors also starting 6ft VanVleet and 6'1 Lowry isn't looking too bad...in the finals last year and off to a good start this year..

First game VanVleet goes 34/7/5 while Lowry goes 22/6/5... between them their starting back court is averaging 47 ppg, 13 ast and 10 boards a game.

I personally thought they(Sexton and Garland) looked really good together the first game...

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I mean is really that crazy?? We all know about Lillard and CJ...Raptors also starting 6ft VanVleet and 6'1 Lowry isn't looking too bad...in the finals last year and off to a good start this year..

First game VanVleet goes 34/7/5 while Lowry goes 22/6/5... between them their starting back court is averaging 47 ppg, 13 ast and 10 boards a game.

Difference is both are good defenders and both are good PnR BHs. And Lowry can effectively switch because he is so thick. Neither Sexton nor Garland can effectively switch. And still, I don't think starting both is a good long term option for the Raptors.

 

[BlessEm]

Difference is both are good defenders and both are good PnR BHs. And Lowry can effectively switch because he is so thick. Neither Sexton nor Garland can effectively switch. And still, I don't think starting both is a good long term option for the Raptors.

So you already know that our 19 year old rookie and 20 year first round pick from last year will never be able to be good pnr bh's and will never be able to come close to VanVleets /Lowry's defense and switching ability...