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I'd say the conferences are getting closer competitively. Miami with the Shaq deal, and Walker, Williams and Posey! For only Eddie Jones. Walker is damn good IMO. The Heat are the beast of the East. They will be contending for the next 5 years. Cleveland will have to go through Miami to win the title.

And Detroit will be there, Indiana looking strong, and the Nets are good too, arguably all better than the Cavaliers right now. I think we can compete with these teams, but it will be tough. Yet I have faith in the core of James and Hughes. They must play well for the Cavs to win. As long as they have role players who complement them, the Cavs will be strong. Or maybe they will fear 'The Q'.....(that name is weak)
 
Going through the teams it is 100% true that the East is ever improving.

Atlanta : Young and talented, but not ready. Improved from last year roster wise.
Boston : Young talent with Pierce. May slightly slide.
Charlotte : Definately better team, but still a year or two away.
Chicago : This team is a year maturer and will at least be at the same level.
Cleveland : Upgraded their roster and surely it is time for the playoffs.
Detroit : Same roster, same results.
Indiana : Lost Reggie, but upgraded its talent level overall. Wow.
Miami : More talent then ever and will contend again.
Milwaukee : Will be knocking on the door of the playoffs.
New Jersey : Added more offense so will be dangerous.
New York : Larry has a habit of winning, but this will be tough.
Orlando : One of few teams in the East to slide.
Philidelphia : Webber and Iverson will likely play better together 2nd time round.
Toronto : They were erratic last year, and will likely stay that way.
Washington : Probably will drop off a little.
 
The East is probably the toughest it's been since the days when Michael Jordan was dominating in Chicago. Miami is definitely and could be LeBron's version of Jordan's Detroit. Detroit was the team MJ and the Bulls had to beat to finally reach the Finals, well Miami could be the team that LBJ and the Cavs have to beat to get there.

Miami's SL is far superior to the Cavs

Miami:
C- Shaq
PF- Walker
SF- Posey?
SG- Wade
PG- J-Will

Cleveland
C- Ilgauskas
PF- Gooden
SF- LeBron
SG- Hughes
PG- Damon Jones?
 
Definitely true. I see Miami and Indiana as the class of the East. Detroit will still be there, but they are getting older. New Jersey is interesting.....but Carter has to stay healthy and he never seems to. They also have a bunch of quitters on that team. What do you think Carter and JMac will be like if they start off slow?

I see it going down like this (assuming there are no MAJOR injuries to these teams):

Central - Each team could make the playoffs

Indiana (2)
Detroit (4)
Cleveland (5)
Chicago (6)
Milwaukee (8)


Atlantic

New Jersey (3)
Philadelphia (7)

Southeast

Miami (1)


Nobody else in the Southeast is going to make any noise IMO and I believe Boston, Washington, Toronto and Orlando will be down. I see us as the 5 seed (maybe 4) with a 50+ win season.

Remember that even though Miami looks absolutely loaded, the Diesel comes up with alot of nagging injuries. If he goes down for an extended period, they can be had (but the same holds true for everyone else - including us).
 
I wouldn't go so far as to say far superior, especially if we land Damon Jones. The talk is Walker will be their SF and Haslem will still start.

Shaq > Z, but Z is a top 5 center.
Gooden = Haslem, Gooden has more talent, Haslem has more basketball IQ
LeBron > Walker
Wade > Hughes, but Hughes is all-star caliber himself
Jones = J-Will - J-Will is a better passer, but can't shoot. Is he taking the ball out of Wade's hands in terms of running the offense?

In head to head matchups, they win 2, we win 1 and two are a tie. You could make a case for Drew over Haslem, which makes it 2-2 with a tie. Now if they keep Damon Jones, things certainly swing in their favor. But assuming we land Jones, I like our lineup vs anyone.
 
Even with these moves that Miami has made, I still have Indiana being the #1 seed at the end of the day.

As of right now, my Eastern Conference rankings (not playoff seedings, just overall rankings)....

1. Indiana
2. Miami
3. Detroit
4. New Jersey
5. Cleveland
6. Chicago
7. Boston
8. Washington
9. Philadelphia
10. Orlando
11. New York
12. Milwaukee
13. Charlotte
14. Toronto
15. Atlanta

Subject to change of course.
 
My top 3 in the east are

1. Detroit
2. Indiana
3. Miami

After those three though is anyones guess. Obviously it includes nj, cavs and chicago
 
I think Detroit stays on top until some other teams proves better. I mean, they lost Brown and it was the perfect team for Brown, but Flip isn't bad himself. After Detroit, I gotta have Miami at this point, but I think they'll make like the Lakers when they had Kobe, Shaq, Payton, and Malone and fall short again. Antoine Walker just doesn't excite me that much. Indy after those 2. Artest is probably going to play 10 games then get suspended again because thats just the Artest way, and them losing Miller is huge. Then again, they also proved that they dont actually need any of their good players to win haha.

Cleveland's spot really depends on who the offseason brings. If we get Tractor and Jaric or Jones then we're in some nice shape, but if we end up with Brevin Knight and Dasanga Diop, then we're still a bit of a ways off
 
There have several improvements across the board for nearly all teams this season, especially the East.

Detroit hasn't budged. They let go Brown, so I can see their record falling off a bit. They're still going to be a solid team, but they are also aging and their game is an injury or two away from deteriorating. I see them as top 5 in the East still, but not close to #1.

I agree with most that Indiana will be #1 in the East again. They should have last season had it not been for injury and brawls. They have a solid team... something that's hard to find in the NBA. They play well together and do extremely well under Carlisle. Departure of Reggie hurts, but Jackson and Jasikevicius should turn heads this season.

Miami has loads and loads of talent. But I think they're going in the wrong direction thinking that they can pick up problem childs and remedy them with winning. It almost seems like it's a near replica of the LA Lakers of 2004.

Shaq - Plays the role of Karl Malone: Older guy that wants the win, must play the leadership position.
Walker- Plays the role of Kobe Bryant: Incessant shooter that won't pass
Wade - Plays the role of Shaq: Extremely dominant player that deserves the ball but won't get it when it counts.
Williams - Plays the role of Gary Payton: Scoring PG that also demands the ball, but doesn't know how to shoot and won't fit into a system being the 4th option

It will be interesting to see if they'll be a team. I doubt it will happen with all those heads.

Cleveland is on the upside, but we are still very young. We have a first year coach. We don't have a point guard quite yet. We can't be called a team as Indiana and Detroit are. I'd love for us to succeed, but our goals should be getting to the playoffs and winning a series. We need to meld together as a team in both winning and losing and we will eventually get that ring.

Milwaukee is a big question mark. Tons of potential. Tons of money tied up. No room for flexibility. It's tough to judge where they'll be. I can see them competing with Philadelphia for a lower playoff seed, depending on how TJ Ford recovers. They have some good talent, but also nothing that represents a team. I doubt the new coach will do much to change that either.

Boston is going to fall to the pits. No Gary Payton to tie things together. Antoine Walker is gone: good thing, but they also lost lots of talent. Once they start losing, cancer will spring up again from Paul Pierce and Ricky Davis. They have a ton of young talent, but they won't be breaking out quite yet this season. No playoffs for them.

Chicago is a better team without Curry. They'd probably be a better team with Al Harrington. If they pull that off and retain Chandler, they'll be as big a force as they were last season, if not more. This is a great NBA team, especially for being so young. Props to Skiles and Paxson.

Washington heads back to the lottery. The defense of Hughes will be sorely missed. Eddie Jordan will be fired at the end of the season, and the rebuilding process will begin, again, because Kwame Brown will most likely succeed (as in do much better) in LA.

Philadelphia is a big question mark. They solidified their future lineup with Dalembert, Korver, and Green. I see that as a mistake. Dalembert is a solid signing, but Korver and Green I doubt will live up to their contracts. Webber-AI should be a good combo, but won't. And I don't really see Mo Cheeks and AI getting along too well. If AI doesn't practice with Webber, they'll never find a niche. They have a chance at the playoffs, but only at a low seed that won't seem much daylight.

New Jersey is vastly improved. J.Kidd should be satsified with the starting lineup of Krystic, SAR, Carter, Jefferson, and himself. The only question would be defense. I doubt that they can stand up to any team in the west, not to mention Detroit and Indiana.

New York seems to be dazed in the pipedream that Larry Brown is the cure to all ailments. They could be a better team, but they won't. They have a glut of guards that don't pass the ball, preferring to chuck a bunch of shots up and hope they go in. No big men. Oh wait, they're Jerome James. Exactly. They will have very little impact this season. I can see James, Marbury, Q, and Crawford teaming up together against Brown. At least they'll be a team then.

Toronto is headed for the lottery again. Bad draft, losing key pieces. Poor Bosh, I hope by the time his contract is up we might be able to pursue him.

Atlanta will surprise many this season. They should be trying hard to get Curry for Al Harrington, giving them a very young, talented roster for the future. Look for them to improve to a 30+ win season if they get Curry.

Charlotte is building for the future will a pair of solid draft picks from UNC. Their record will improve with May and Okafor on the low post with Felton buzzing by the opposition. I wouldn't mind being a Bobcat fan, they're doing much better things than Toronto and Vancouver did at the same point in time. Big Country Reeves? Jeeze.

Orlando will be on the slide again. Fran Vasquez, their first rounder, is staying in Europe. Spells disaster for this franchise. Speaking of Franchises, it may seem that he's probably leaving for somewhere at the trade deadline. I see him in a Timberwolves uni in February.
 
CBBI said:
1. Indiana
2. Miami
3. Detroit
4. New Jersey
5. Cleveland
6. Chicago
7. Boston
8. Washington
9. Philadelphia
10. Orlando
11. New York
12. Milwaukee
13. Charlotte
14. Toronto
15. Atlanta

Subject to change of course.

I'm gonna have to drastically change that bud.

1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Detroit
4. Cleveland
5. New Jersey
6. Philadelphia
7. Chicago
8. Milwaukee
9. Boston
10. Washington
11. New York
12. Atlanta
13. Toronto
14. Charlotte
15. Orlando
 
We also have to realize that the talent level on all teams has had a major upslide. Even though it seems silly, a .500 record should get you in the playoffs. But a .480 might not because records are going to be close.
 
I am just not on board as seeing Miami as that much better then they were before.

Walker - He will not help Miami because he just never understands that he isn't on the same level as the other players. He will only take away shots from Wade and Shaq...that is what I see him doing on the Heat. This the same as Dallas, tons of talent all around him, but Walker never seems to understand that.

Williams - is this really an upgrade over Damon Jones? Williams is popular because his a white guy that is really flashy, but with that flash comes mistakes and stupid decisions. Excitement doesn't win basketball games.

Posey - To me, this is the Heats only solid acquisition.

Walker and Williams are just big names, not big talent. I don't see them as upgrades. I wouldn't want them on my team. Posey is an upgrade over Eddie Jones though.
 
I am thinking miami did upgrade. They aer thinking about a close series with detroit last year and how to address that problem and with Walker in the house they can play Haslem at small forward and match up better with the Wallce boys inside. Jay Williams is a better defender than jones and is more of an assist guy, which I think means Miami is planning on playing an inside game, and daring other teams to defend inside against a lot of beef. Clog up the lane? Go ahead and make Shaq's day.. When you think about it the outside shooting point guard makes more sense to us than Miami, since Lebron starts outside and goes in. An offense which starts with Shaq will come at you inside out.

Darko better get off the pine this year. He will be needed against this team.
 
CleveRocks said:
I am thinking miami did upgrade. They aer thinking about a close series with detroit last year and how to address that problem and with Walker in the house they can play Haslem at small forward and match up better with the Wallce boys inside. Jay Williams is a better defender than jones and is more of an assist guy, which I think means Miami is planning on playing an inside game, and daring other teams to defend inside against a lot of beef. Clog up the lane? Go ahead and make Shaq's day.. When you think about it the outside shooting point guard makes more sense to us than Miami, since Lebron starts outside and goes in. An offense which starts with Shaq will come at you inside out.

Darko better get off the pine this year. He will be needed against this team.

It could go both ways, really. During the season everything will be nice and hot. I am just skeptical about how things will work in the postseason.

Haslem can't play at small forward. He's a tough banger, suited to protect the middle. His role is to rebound and defend, and score in bits and pieces, nothing more. Translation? Best fit next to Shaq up front.

Antoine would be best fit playing the SF role. His post moves will allow him to abuse shorter guys. But he doesn't like doing that, he likes being the 6th man PF that disrupts things from the perimeter. Which leads him to shoot outside a lot. Which will lead to many, many problems with Shaq. Just ask Kobe.

Jason Williams a better defender than Eddie Jones? 1st off, they play different positions. Secondly, Eddie is one of the premier perimeter defenders in the league. Very smart and hard working on that end. And I would say he's a more prolific spot up shooter than Jason is. Williams would fit best in a team that needs a PG to lead the team. Miami is not that team, they already have Wade to command the ball. Cleveland wouldn't be either. A team like Atlanta, actually, would be a perfect fit for Jason Williams. He enjoys driving and shooting off the dribble with his quickness, attracting double teams and passing out to the open man. This is already done in Cleveland and Miami by LeBron and Z, Wade and Shaq.
 
The East has three teams that will play very well together as a team. They are Detroit, Miami, and Indiana.

These are the teams we will be watching quite a bit of, whether we want to or not:

Indiana
How well Indiana plays will depend largely on Ron Artest. Thats no mystery. He is SO good all around and you know he's gonna have his ish together for this season. I bet he has the best defensive year of his career. I cannot wait to see LeBron match up against Artest.

Detroit
I don't even want to talk about Detroit. They're so friggin boring that it hurts my head, and they are successful which makes it worse. I hope we never see a Detroit/San Antonio series again. I'll say that much.

Miami
Miami made, what is at the very least, a risky decision by picking up Walker and J-Will. I just don't see how either of them fit into the game plan. You have to assume that they will make the necessary changes in their game now that they are on competitive teams. It's high risk/high reward though so maybe it'll be worth it, especially considering how little they gave up.

As far as the teams I want to watch:

Chicago
They're just a cool team to root for, and they will play well as a team too. They just have drafted really well. This will be the year they start to turn into a threat. Like Detroit, they don't have one dominant player and that's what will make them gel quickly. There's a lot of guys on this team that are just fun to watch and fun to root for. I like Hinrich a lot. He's becoming a very succesful NBA point and he's gonna be fun to watch for a while. Ben Gordon has gotten a lot of attention for his 'Microwave"-like 6th man ability. He is exciting and his mid-range game and clutch shooting is what will keep these guys around against better teams. Deng has a lot of room to improve and you can tell he will. He's young and he's got a lot of talent around him to make him better. Curry and Chandler are still question marks but they're both big boys and that cant hurt.

Atlanta
They made some solid moves, but they will have a long learning curve. The Hawks drafted well and Smith and Childress are both going to be good solid NBA players. Joe Johnson is solid and I think he will have his work cut out for him to blend with these youngsters. I think at the very least they will be an exciting and quick basketball team. Will Salim's abilities translate to the NBA or will he be another Hawks ballhog? Marvin Williams will be a solid if undersized player.

Milwaukee
I like Bogut a lot. I think the Bucks may suck again but I do wanna see this kids post moves in the NBA. I also want to see TJ Ford have success as he was fun to watch and very unfortunate with that injury. I wish Jiri success with these guys too. Just find him a team already!

Charlotte
Making smart decisions huh? They have just not taken any risks with their talent. Emeka will be an excellent NBA player for a long time if he avoids injury. His goal should be to attain Tim Duncan status. I love that they went with the local boys in the draft too, both of whom are low risk ballers. If you are a Charlotte fan you couldnt be happier with the management. These guys should keep Brevin Knight to maintain their team play. You gotta like Kapono too. I wish him success and enjoyed watching him with the Cavs.
 

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