Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team

[Tlyons]

JBB also got some All-defensive votes for shutting down our offense.

 

[CroopZ23]

I think we can still win a lot of games while increasing Mobleys touches dramatically. Sure, I am not the biggest Mobley supporter on this forum, but we need to see what we have with him. Mobley just existing on the periphery of our offense will simply limit him as an asset. Next year, Mitchell is going to have to take a step back (probably a challenge for him) to let others thrive. We all know that Mitchell is a 30 ppg talent. But he needs to save those insane scoring performances for the playoffs while letting Mobley, Garland, and others get their touches in regular season. Id prefer Mitchell scoring 24-25 and getting Mobley up to 20 ppg. I cant imagine its fun for Mobley playing with a dude who just launches shots all game. I love Donovan, but he is most definetaly a "ball hog" by definition.

 

[Kizzle]

Great for him. If we had guards that could defend wed be soooo good

 

[Tlyons]

Great for him. If we had guards that could defend wed be soooo good

It wasn't anywhere near all defense but Garland noticeably stepped up his defense this season.

 

[guitarguy]

I think we can still win a lot of games while increasing Mobleys touches dramatically. Sure, I am not the biggest Mobley supporter on this forum, but we need to see what we have with him. Mobley just existing on the periphery of our offense will simply limit him as an asset. Next year, Mitchell is going to have to take a step back (probably a challenge for him) to let others thrive. We all know that Mitchell is a 30 ppg talent. But he needs to save those insane scoring performances for the playoffs while letting Mobley, Garland, and others get their touches in regular season. Id prefer Mitchell scoring 24-25 and getting Mobley up to 20 ppg. I cant imagine its fun for Mobley playing with a dude who just launches shots all game. I love Donovan, but he is most definetaly a "ball hog" by definition.

I feel like it should be a goal by the organization to get Mobley whatever touches he needs to avg 20ppg next year. It might be lumpy for a bit, but if we really are in go big or bust with Mobley, it makes too much sense. Ironnically, he'll probably bump up his assists by 2 or 3 as well a game, and couple that with 10 ish rebounds... that would be a very nice place indeed.

 

[Dr No]

I think we can still win a lot of games while increasing Mobleys touches dramatically. Sure, I am not the biggest Mobley supporter on this forum, but we need to see what we have with him. Mobley just existing on the periphery of our offense will simply limit him as an asset. Next year, Mitchell is going to have to take a step back (probably a challenge for him) to let others thrive. We all know that Mitchell is a 30 ppg talent. But he needs to save those insane scoring performances for the playoffs while letting Mobley, Garland, and others get their touches in regular season. Id prefer Mitchell scoring 24-25 and getting Mobley up to 20 ppg. I cant imagine its fun for Mobley playing with a dude who just launches shots all game. I love Donovan, but he is most definetaly a "ball hog" by definition.

Agree. Both DG & DM keep the ball in their hands too long. DG doesn't look for his shot as much as DM, but he still has a habit of pounding the air out of the ball. I think it would help Mobley (and a lot of other guys) if we had a less stagnant offense that emphasized quick decisions, player movement, and ball movement.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Great for him. If we had guards that could defend wed be soooo good

I actually don’t think the guards were a problem this year. I just think people see two smaller guards and assume that’s a problem defensively. Garland looked much improved, and while Mitchell might be a little shorter than you’d like, he has great length and is built like a brick shit house. He weighs more than most starting SG’s with more strength and similar length.

Ultimately we need to see what this starting unit looks like with a properly sized SF who isn’t a turnstile before too many judgements are made about the backcourt.

 

[inliner311]

I actually don’t think the guards were a problem this year. I just think people see two smaller guards and assume that’s a problem defensively. Garland looked much improved, and while Mitchell might be a little shorter than you’d like, he has great length and is built like a brick shit house. He weighs more than most starting SG’s with more strength and similar length.

Ultimately we need to see what this starting unit looks like with a properly sized SF who isn’t a turnstile before too many judgements are made about the backcourt.

I don't think it's about Garland and Mitchell becoming better defenders, the load they have to carry with the offense and minutes, it's just too much to ask that they don't get covered on defense. I think that's where the conundrum is, you either cover Mitchell and Garland with your SF or find more offense so you can lower their minutes and split them up more especially in the playoffs.

We saw how run down Shump and JR got from chasing around teams best guards. We also had Delly helping out with that in the first two years. There is just a certain amount of load you can ask of players before they just start getting injured. I think that's one of the biggest problems with Portland with Dame and CJ, they both had to carry such high loads that at a point one was always hurt coming into the playoffs.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I don't think it's about Garland and Mitchell becoming better defenders, the load they have to carry with the offense and minutes, it's just too much to ask that they don't get covered on defense. I think that's where the conundrum is, you either cover Mitchell and Garland with your SF or find more offense so you can lower their minutes and split them up more especially in the playoffs.

We saw how run down Shump and JR got from chasing around teams best guards. We also had Delly helping out with that in the first two years. There is just a certain amount of load you can ask of players before they just start getting injured. I think that's one of the biggest problems with Portland with Dame and CJ, they both had to carry such high loads that at a point one was always hurt coming into the playoffs.

I don’t know if there’s a conundrum. The answer has always been Mobley being able to handle more of an offensive load. If he can’t eventually do it the Cavs probably have a 2nd round ceiling. It’s unlikely we’re going to be able to find anything more than a 3&D SF with the assets we have unless we trade Allen. That’s probably the only way we’ll find a SF that can be a significant contributor offensively.

 

[Kizzle]

I don’t know if there’s a conundrum. The answer has always been Mobley being able to handle more of an offensive load. If he can’t eventually do it the Cavs probably have a 2nd round ceiling. It’s unlikely we’re going to be able to find anything more than a 3&D SF with the assets we have unless we trade Allen. That’s probably the only way we’ll find a SF that can be a significant contributor offensively.

Honestly we need to try Monley at the 3 and run 4 bigs. If only we had the rights to a shooting big that was also tough and had a playoff resume of hitting big 3s and getting huge rebounds. If only…..

 

[pinoycavsfan]

If you have 20minutes to spare, watch Evan miss his 3's.

 

[cavsfever]

Mitchell and Garland being ball dominate and the team being so dependent on them for offense is the problem. If we had Lauri and Sexton, it would allow JBB to break up our top scorers because we would have an extra player that could create for themselves. I think that would create opportunities to give with Mobley minutes in a lineup with one ball dominate guard or just opportunities to get touches over our guards and Lauri. I think one hard thing with Mitchell being in his prime is that it's hard for JBB to take touches away from him to give them to Mobley to develop.

Being so top heavy, just means heavy minutes for our top 4, which just means they play a lot together. More depth means we would also be able to lower the minutes burden on everyone.

We lost ALL our lineup flexibility with the Mitchell trade. (Pretending Levert is a SF or pretending Okoro or Osman are legit starters doesn’t count)

 

[Jscc]

If you have 20minutes to spare, watch Evan miss his 3's.

His vertical form looks good in almost all of them. I couldn't predict which were makes and which were misses. Is it the upper body motor control in his release? Not squaring his feet [feet look inconsistent in most of his misses]?

Last season he had a noticeable hitch in his 3s. That looks fixed now.

 

[pinoycavsfan]

His vertical form looks good in almost all of them. I couldn't predict which were makes and which were misses. Is it the upper body motor control in his release? Not squaring his feet [feet look inconsistent in most of his misses]?

Last season he had a noticeable hitch in his 3s. That looks fixed now.

His foot work is all over the place. He does this hop then left and then right foot tap before he shoots. Legs does not bend enough or not enough power transfer. He looks a lot better with a simpler foot work off the catch especially when he just hops off the shot.

Like this:

 

[foucault87]

I'm really high on Mobley. I think he has a ton of upside on offense though it might be another year or two til we see his full potential there. Hope fans are willing to ve patient but somehow I doubt it