Get Excited Somewhere Else: John Dorsey

[Cassity14]

He's not at all good. He's one of the worst run defending edge rushers in the NFL and he is a marginal pass rusher at best.

Considering the talent that was there when they drafted him, he's a huge disappointment. He's being outperformed by Bryan Cox Jr and Porter Gustin, not to mention Olivier Vernon when he's healthy.

And that's on the GM? If anything, the bolded defends the pick...

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

If anything, your post is misleading, because the Browns traded down in that draft so his post about passing on all of that elite talent to draft Coleman was accurate.

I have a hard time railing on Dorsey because I believe this team has the talent to be 10-6 right the fuck now, like this year. But the coach was his hire too so he deserves blame there.

Denzel Ward’s name has not been mentioned once in this “look at all this elite talent we passed on!!!” Argument.

He’s not here right now without passing on all that elite talent by trading down

You can’t just compare Coleman to those guys and say case closed. It’s misleading

Also if we took Michael Thomas instead that trade is the homerun of homeruns. Sashi whiffed on the pick, but the trade itself isn’t as black and white as ‘Coleman was bad, so Sashi bad’

 

[Jordan]

I thought we settled on Sashi having a good plan and executing it well, but that he was somewhat out of his element as a talent evaluator.

Did people expect more when the team signed Sashi and DePodoesta? The idea was that Hue could be the talent evaluator and that was the big mistake.

 

[Bkerr02]

We aren't a playoff team though....

The talent on this team is a playoff team.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

And that's on the GM? If anything, the bolded defends the pick...

How is it not on the GM????

He never should have been taken where he was taken.

 

[BMAN]

The talent on this team is a playoff team.

Apparently not.

 

[DirtyDan]

That was not the end result. Just like Binkster this is a misleading post leaving out most of the facts to defend a GM that you’ll both probably turn on in 2 years and post the same dart image gif of

He was innovative at accumulating assets, but didn't show the aptitude as a talent evaluator. Who would you choose between Dorsey or Sashi to manage a draft?

I'm not defending Dorsey. He's definitely worthy of criticism. It's about coming to reality that Sashi was fortunate to even be put in that position.

 

[Soda]

I'm not defending Dorsey. He's definitely worthy of criticism. It's about coming to reality that Sashi was fortunate to even be put in that position.

I'll keep saying it til the cows come home (whatever that means)... A number of people could have done his job, IMO. You go to a trading show with an arsenal of bait and you'll find a few good deals ready to be made that can be to your benefit. The guy had the purse strings and the players ready to jettison; his inventory was stocked. His team had no limit to the allowable floor & a perfect deal for the on-the-field product was not a prerequisite to agreeing to deals.

 

[Cassity14]

How is it not on the GM????

He never should have been taken where he was taken.

In your earlier post you alluded to him being a talented player who hasn't developed since entering the NFL.

In this post you make it seem like he didn't have any talent and shouldn't have been picked there at all.

I'm confused which point you want to make other than to try to paint a certain subjective picture. Help me understand.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

In your earlier post you alluded to him being a talented player who hasn't developed since entering the NFL.

In this post you make it seem like he didn't have any talent and shouldn't have been picked there at all.

I'm confused which point you want to make other than to try to paint a certain subjective picture. Help me understand.

I have never argued that Thomas is a talented player. He was bad in college, had a poor athletic profile and has a bad attitude.

I never argued he is talented. They should have drafted someone else. There was much more talent on the board when they drafted him.

 

[Cassity14]

I have never argued that Thomas is a talented player. He was bad in college, had a poor athletic profile and has a bad attitude.

I never argued he is talented. They should have drafted someone else. There was much more talent on the board when they drafted him.

Got it. When you said, "Considering the talent that was there when they drafted him," you were referring to OTHER PLAYERS that were available and not his individual talent. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

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He was innovative at accumulating assets, but didn't show the aptitude as a talent evaluator. Who would you choose between Dorsey or Sashi to manage a draft?

I'm not defending Dorsey. He's definitely worthy of criticism. It's about coming to reality that Sashi was fortunate to even be put in that position.

I’m not sure why the first one cut off before the finality of that trade, but that Watson trade turned into Ward. So many, many branches down that tree, we eventually got Ward

Now granted Dorsey took him, but my point was if you grab any of those guys Binkster highlighted, you aren’t getting Ward as well. So it’s not as simple as just Coleman vs those guys

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I'll keep saying it til the cows come home (whatever that means)... A number of people could have done his job, IMO. You go to a trading show with an arsenal of bait and you'll find a few good deals ready to be made that can be to your benefit. The guy had the purse strings and the players ready to jettison; his inventory was stocked. His team had no limit to the allowable floor & a perfect deal for the on-the-field product was not a prerequisite to agreeing to deals.

But no one has done it.

Why hasn’t the Osweiler trade been emulated yet? Again, Dorsey ended up making the good pick, but we basically were given Nick Chubb for eating a contract

Anyone can do it, but why was that the only trade of its kind?

 

[6.19.2016]

Lawrence Vickers really helped out the line and they haven't been the same since letting him walk without replacing him

@The Oi @tony @Ozone

You know he played fullback AND linebacker in college? People forget that.

If you dont have a fullback, you dont have an offense.

One of the Browns greatest failures was missing on Owen Marecic.

Although seriously, as much as the anti-Heckert crowd bagged on the Marecic pick, it wasn't that much of a miss because the 49ers, who at the time were considered GOAT-level drafters under Baalke, would probably have picked him in the 5th round just a little bit after, to reunite him with Harbaugh.

 

[Deezus]

Also what an asinine argument, he didn’t pass on those players and draft Coleman. You can literally see in your very post Coleman was selected after all of them. But let’s just ignore the assets acquired in the trade down because why not

Asinine? Did you forget that he traded the #2 pick (Wentz)?!