You are probably right and he’s looking for a more obvious path to playing time. The other side of that is maybe he’s looking at how skinny Allen & Mobley are, couple with the injury history of Love & Nance, and figuring injuries are a matter of when not if and he gets a lot of PT.
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Isaiah Hartenstein: wowing people in Vegas
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From Dan Gilinsky at KingJamesGospel.com:
But there will be other potential suitors for the 23-year-old 7-footer, as one would assume. And per a report from Sam The Bullshit Whisperer of Hoops Wire, those others are believed to be the Milwaukee Bucks, Toronto Raptors, Oklahoma City Thunder, Minnesota Timberwolves and Charlotte Hornets. So we’ll have to see on that front with the promising young big.
Even with Allen and Mobley in the fold, and perhaps Larry Nance Jr./Dean Wade and to a lesser degree Kevin Love in relation to the 5 position at times, Hartenstein could be a solid rotational contributor to have for Cleveland. That’s with Mobley set to play seemingly a bunch at the 4 anyway and with him needing to fill out gradually.
Furthermore, Hartenstein could be a nice depth 5 man option once again, with his rim protection, screening/rolling, interior touch and passing abilities.
It’s uncertain at this point, however, as to whether there’s a good shot that Hartenstein could be back, but I’d much rather have him as a rotational option as opposed to say, the non-guaranteed Mfiondu Kabengele sticking around to/through next season.
Maybe the Cavs could commit $3 million of their $9.5 million non-taxpayer mid-level exception, with a multi-year deal if needed, to offer Hartenstein to come back? Or perhaps Cleveland might consider using that amount via the $3.7 million bi-annual exception for Hartenstein for next season?
Hartenstein is 23 and has three years in the Association. Last year he averaged 17.9 minutes with the Cavs; his previous high was 11.6 minutes the previous year. At this stage of his career he has to be looking for playing time. I'm sure he doesn't want to go backward. My guess is he'll sign with anybody that is in position to give him 18+ minutes per game. He was stuck behind Jokic in Denver and Allen in Cleveland. I don't think there's a team out there that would promise him a starting job, but I imagine he'll look for a team where he can get consistent minutes.
I don't see why that can't be Cleveland. I don't believe in bouncing rookies back and forth between two positions - transitioning to the NBA is hard enough at one position. Mobley should play the 4 this season and not see any time at the 5 until he adds a lot more muscle and a lot more experience. If I were the Cavs I'd tell Isaiah that he'll get 16-18 minutes every night as Allen's backup and offer him the $3-4 million that Galinsky suggests.
But there will be other potential suitors for the 23-year-old 7-footer, as one would assume. And per a report from Sam The Bullshit Whisperer of Hoops Wire, those others are believed to be the Milwaukee Bucks, Toronto Raptors, Oklahoma City Thunder, Minnesota Timberwolves and Charlotte Hornets. So we’ll have to see on that front with the promising young big.
Even with Allen and Mobley in the fold, and perhaps Larry Nance Jr./Dean Wade and to a lesser degree Kevin Love in relation to the 5 position at times, Hartenstein could be a solid rotational contributor to have for Cleveland. That’s with Mobley set to play seemingly a bunch at the 4 anyway and with him needing to fill out gradually.
Furthermore, Hartenstein could be a nice depth 5 man option once again, with his rim protection, screening/rolling, interior touch and passing abilities.
It’s uncertain at this point, however, as to whether there’s a good shot that Hartenstein could be back, but I’d much rather have him as a rotational option as opposed to say, the non-guaranteed Mfiondu Kabengele sticking around to/through next season.
Maybe the Cavs could commit $3 million of their $9.5 million non-taxpayer mid-level exception, with a multi-year deal if needed, to offer Hartenstein to come back? Or perhaps Cleveland might consider using that amount via the $3.7 million bi-annual exception for Hartenstein for next season?
Hartenstein is 23 and has three years in the Association. Last year he averaged 17.9 minutes with the Cavs; his previous high was 11.6 minutes the previous year. At this stage of his career he has to be looking for playing time. I'm sure he doesn't want to go backward. My guess is he'll sign with anybody that is in position to give him 18+ minutes per game. He was stuck behind Jokic in Denver and Allen in Cleveland. I don't think there's a team out there that would promise him a starting job, but I imagine he'll look for a team where he can get consistent minutes.
I don't see why that can't be Cleveland. I don't believe in bouncing rookies back and forth between two positions - transitioning to the NBA is hard enough at one position. Mobley should play the 4 this season and not see any time at the 5 until he adds a lot more muscle and a lot more experience. If I were the Cavs I'd tell Isaiah that he'll get 16-18 minutes every night as Allen's backup and offer him the $3-4 million that Galinsky suggests.
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Even if they *didnt* want to resign him, they should've extended him the QO. They could've traded him if they didn't want him.
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Anyone know what his QO would have been? Maybe they thought they could get him for less and didn't want the QO being the offer he took. Maybe him and his agent has unrealistic value for what he was worth so they let him go into the open market to bring it back down to earth.
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I don't think anyone really wants him that bad. My guess he is fielding vet minimum offers and trying to decide where he could potentially get the most playing time.
The QO was $2.2 mil. If we legit had no interest in keeping him around then it is what it is, but the fact that we had a rep at his workout leaves me with zero fucking clues as to why we wouldn't extend such a paltry QO to a guy that has enough interest to draw representatives from multiple teams at a workout.
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At worst, you could match an offer sheet. At best you could just re-sign him or pull of a S&T for a 2nd round pick.
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I just have concluded that the front office just doesn't have any sense of assessing the market so who know why they didn't give him the QO. Things like this just makes me think Koby and his group aren't equipped to take this team beyond this current stage of the rebuild. If you take away drafting top 8 draft picks the rest of their resume has been fairly terrible and all that other stuff is what they will need to be strongest with as the team gets better and we aren't drafting in the top 8.
Isn't the typical reason you don't extend a qualifying offer because it requires the team to maintain a cap hold? Is there reason to think that would have mattered to the Cavs with respect to their budget flexibility? Would the hold extend into next season if he didn't sign with the Cavs or another NBA team and instead signed in Europe as he was rumored to be considering?
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Only other thing I can think of could be as a favor to the agent. Easier to sign a UFA than RFA.
Assuming we were going to re-sign JA, I believe we were already over the cap and therefore IH's cap hold would be inconsequential when it comes to roster and budget flexibility.
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If no one wanted him bad enough, then you just resign him, let him play on the QO, or let him walk on an offer sheet. I don't get why they'd let him walk...
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His agent likely said that he'd just go overseas if he was tendered, and the Cavs judged him to be serious.