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avs2000 said:
No way I would take him. Even if it was just for tt Korver JR and hill. Rather trade those guys in pieces for assets than one year of butler
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I just don't understand the almost-hyperbolic fear of going into mini-rebuild mode around here. We should be committed to 3 things: a) developing our young talent b) accruing assets c) clearing cap space. Trading for Butler undermines all of that. And for what? So we can proudly shake our fist at LeBron and say "see, we can get to the playoffs without you!"?

There's some people around who think that acquiring Butler means we're automatically going to get Kyrie back. So we have what, an older version of our former Big 3 with an injury-prone, malcontent Butler in place of LeBron? Who seriously wants that? Kyrie's comments about Lue and the ugly parting just a year ago are also not positive indicators he'd even want to come back here.

We need to be looking ahead to a new era. I wasn't giddy about the Love extension but I could embrace it as a "mentor/loyalty" signing. Gilbert is just going to torpedo the Cavs' future in epic Ahab fashion if he goes after Butler.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
There's some people around who think that acquiring Butler means we're automatically going to get Kyrie back. So we have what, an older version of our former Big 3 with an injury-prone, malcontent Butler in place of LeBron? Who seriously wants that?
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I don't see the appeal of that either. You mention Butler being injury prone -- have to stick Kyrie in there as well, and that knee is a real concern long-term. And that's supposed to be the "home run" scenario when we manage to get Kyrie back as well. What if we don't get Kyrie back, and we can't attract someone at least as good as or better than him? Regardless of whatever pre-trade discussions we might have with Butler this summer, is he really going to stick around next summer if he's the only star veteran player?

Trading Sexton plus picks to get Butler is the kind of deal you do if LBJ was still here, not after he's gone.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I don't see the appeal of that either. You mention Butler being injury prone -- have to stick Kyrie in there as well, and that knee is a real concern long-term. And that's supposed to be the "home run" scenario when we manage to get Kyrie back as well. What if we don't get Kyrie back, and we can't attract someone at least as good as or better than him? Regardless of whatever pre-trade discussions we might have with Butler this summer, is he really going to stick around next summer if he's the only star veteran player?

Trading Sexton plus picks to get Butler is the kind of deal you do if LBJ was still here, not after he's gone.
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I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be an "either/or" scenario. We can keep pursuing trades and upgrades while also deciding as an organization to prioritize "development" over "win now."

Why does it have to be an all or nothing scenario? I like that were kicking the tires on Butler. Doing so does not mean that we're not developing players and rebuilding. You have to take advantage of opportunities when they arise.

What if we take the classic approach, tear it down, develop youth...and then at the end of it there are no good available free agents?

Good opportunities don't always happen at the "right time"...sometimes you have to adjust your plans to make the opportunities work.
 
Other than Cedi, Sexson or Love, I think every other asset is available to get Butler. I do not see any other player as a "core" piece. Now, is that enough for Minnesota to bite, especially with no or little picks to add. That is very unlikely.
 
DaNewCavs said:
Now, is that enough for Minnesota to bite, especially with no or little picks to add. That is very unlikely.
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Is it, tho? I don't think the market for Butler will be very strong, especially since many teams have likely settled their rosters already for training camp.
 
The Cavs might be involved in a Butler trade, but I see them as using their expiring deals to facilitate a trade. I see no realistic way of getting him without completely gutting the rebuild and then seeing him leave after the season.

But they can help other teams get him and possibly get some younger assets and/or draft picks in the process.
 
I'm still struggling to understand where this Kyrie coming back comes from. It makes absolutely no sense at all from his perspective. He's in a better situation and there's no connection between him and the Cavs besides being drafted by us. It makes no sense from a basketball or emotional point of view.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
I just don't understand the almost-hyperbolic fear of going into mini-rebuild mode around here. We should be committed to 3 things: a) developing our young talent b) accruing assets c) clearing cap space. Trading for Butler undermines all of that. And for what? So we can proudly shake our fist at LeBron and say "see, we can get to the playoffs without you!"?

There's some people around who think that acquiring Butler means we're automatically going to get Kyrie back. So we have what, an older version of our former Big 3 with an injury-prone, malcontent Butler in place of LeBron? Who seriously wants that? Kyrie's comments about Lue and the ugly parting just a year ago are also not positive indicators he'd even want to come back here.

We need to be looking ahead to a new era. I wasn't giddy about the Love extension but I could embrace it as a "mentor/loyalty" signing. Gilbert is just going to torpedo the Cavs' future in epic Ahab fashion if he goes after Butler.
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Kyrie would never come back to cleveland. I don’t think he liked the city. Kyrie wants to be a Knick
Last thing I want would be Kyrie and butlers knees
If we can help facilitate butler going somewhere and picking up a good asset then fine
 
NIkeL said:
I'm still struggling to understand where this Kyrie coming back comes from. It makes absolutely no sense at all from his perspective. He's in a better situation and there's no connection between him and the Cavs besides being drafted by us. It makes no sense from a basketball or emotional point of view.
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Him and Butler are friends and as we learned from LeBron players who are friends ALWAYS end up together, which is why we're still in the middle of the James/Paul/Wade/Melo dynasty.
 
-Akronite- said:
Him and Butler are friends and as we learned from LeBron players who are friends ALWAYS end up together, which is why we're still in the middle of the James/Paul/Wade/Melo dynasty.
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Flawless strawman. Perfectly executed. ;)
 
What’s the latest on teams being interested? I’d assume it’s rather low.
 
TitleTown said:
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be an "either/or" scenario. We can keep pursuing trades and upgrades while also deciding as an organization to prioritize "development" over "win now."
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I think it does if you're talking about someone like Butler. I don't think Butler would be inclined to sign with a franchise that is prioritizing development over win now. Plus, the assets it would take to get Butler would mean that we'd be taking a step back in terms of development. Seems to me that if you try to walk that tightrope, Butler is going to end up leaving, and the rebuild would be in worse shape.
 
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