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John Beilein: Continuing his education

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Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%
  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%
  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%
  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
the owner being a problem and Lebron having his own issues can both be true.

unfortunately we now only have Gilbert left, and his issues are only compensated by his willingness to spend when he has a winner, but w/o Lebron, he has no winner to spend on and his issues prohibit him from building one.
 
the owner being a problem and Lebron having his own issues can both be true.

unfortunately we now only have Gilbert left, and his issues are only compensated by his willingness to spend when he has a winner, but w/o Lebron, he has no winner to spend on and his issues prohibit him from building one.

Gilbert is still spending. They are close to the luxury tax and took on potential salary again at the trade deadline with Drummond. Also added salary with Exum.

The only cost savings move was not to use JR's contract which could be a misjudgement of value at last year's deadline. We still don't know if there was any deals on the table for it at the draft. I bet if they could go back in time they would use it now and add an extra player or saved those 2nd rounders used to get KPJ for late use.

They didn't know at the time how little value the expirings, TT, Love, and Clarkson would have this year. Also they didn't expect Windler to be out the whole season and bring in 4 rookies would have been tough.
 
The Homer in me wants to believe that but realistically I don't see it

You're right,I meant the fourth matchup. For whatever reason, I thought that was the one with Korver.
 
Fuck these players is this a NBA locker room or a middle school classroom
 
Listened to some of Kevin Love’s comments today. Wow. NOW he says the players could have been better to the guy. Would have been helpful two months ago.

I sure hope they get something for him around the draft, bc the best way to improve the culture of the team is to unload his fat ass.
 
We got Sexton out of Kyrie trade and utilize other assets from the trade to add Nance.

I thought we traded our first for Nance, but traded assets from the trade (including the Halfling) to get Clarkson, now Exum. So basically Sexton and Exum. Awesome.
 
I thought we traded our first for Nance, but traded assets from the trade (including the Halfling) to get Clarkson, now Exum. So basically Sexton and Exum. Awesome.

Didn't we get 2 2nds from Blazers for Hood who we got for Crowder then used 2 of those 2nds in the KPJ trade?
 
Lebron leaves bodies in his wake. The Lakers are next on that long list in the next few years. Gilbert is not Riley, who could keep the ship from looking real stinky. You know its a long rebuild that could take 10+ years if they don't get lucky.

lol how long are you bitter folks going to do this? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

So if the cavs have the worst record in the year 2056 is it going to be because lebron left in 2018? LMAO
 
lol how long are you bitter folks going to do this? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

So if the cavs have the worst record in the year 2056 is it going to be because lebron left in 2018? LMAO

What he said isn't wrong though. LeBron leaves teams high and dry. Left Cavs in 2010, Heat in 2014, Cavs in 18. Every time the teams were left in bad shape with bad contracts due to trying to keep LeBron happy. That's the price you pay though.
 

List of grievance Beilein had against the Cavaliers or NBA in general (players/GM):

(1) Players missing practice for mild soreness or missing games (baffled by Love sitting out back-to-back while healthy)
(2) Going off of that winning didn't seem like a priority for the players (struggled to grasp or retain basic fundamental information -- led to long film sessions)
(3) He was thrown off by Clarkson trade. Natural bench scorer off a team that struggled with offensive production.


List of grievances against Beilein mentioned in the article:

(1) Two-a-days practices during SL/Training camp causing injuries (Windler + Garland)
(2) Harping on them in practice and film sessions (Called a dictator by a source)
(3) Called them thugs --- Players ultimately weren't happy with his explanation or not owning up to it being the straw that broke the camels back. He never recovered from this. Maybe that's when he lost the young players too (I doubt Sexton complained about working hard but maybe took a holistic team approach).

His tenure in Cleveland essentially ended during a film session on Jan. 8 in a Detroit hotel, of all places. That’s when he called his players “thugs” during a film session. He insisted later he meant to say slugs, and he tried to apologize the next day, but a number of the players never really embraced his explanation. In fact, some of them thought it was an insult to their intelligence, one player told The Athletic.

“There was no coming back from that,” he said.

Instead, multiple players began playing songs that included the word “thug” whenever Beilein was within earshot, sources said: Bone Thugz-n-Harmony’s “Thuggish Ruggish Bone” and Tupac’s “Thugz Mansion” among them. As the team boarded the bus a few days after the incident, one player was intentionally playing Trick Daddy’s “I’m a Thug” with Beilein a few feet away. Other players blasted songs with the word “thug” loudly during workouts in the facility. Players did this to make light of a very tough situation, according to one team source.

“The worst part to me was not owning that he said it,” one player told The Athletic.


IMO, If this is the case and this incident was never smoothed over with the players then this falls squarely on the Koby. You either get rid of the players who are that immature or you read the locker room (hello Mr. Griffin) and come to a mutual split early January. To be fair to Koby, Dan was unhealthy and it's a big call considering it's his hire (article cites that Gilbert denied he made the call on Beilein fwiw).

This was a terrible culture fit all around. I wish JB luck the rest of the way, hope Beilein lands on his feet with a major program (Texas looks promising) but I also hope I don't have to watch Love in a Cavs jersey for long. The lack of professionalism from that dude compared to his minimal impact on winning is pretty jarring.

This shows that our “Vets” have no business being the leaders on any team. No mature professional would allow that type of attitude towards a coach even if you don’t like him. Ship them all out Love, TT, Nance the whole gang. Nobody on this team has won shit without Kyrie and Lebron carrying them, hell they barely can crack winning 20 games. Overrated bums

Especially with the whole “thugs” incident. The mans 67 and misspoke, get over it. If I was coaching this team I’d have much harsher words for them then thug that’s for damn sure.
 
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Instead of blaming Lebron,how about blaming the owner,who traded Kyrie for nothing, didnt re-sign a GM that tried to upgrade the roster,let go a coach that won the franchise its only title, didnt want to give Larry Drew a coaching salary after being upgraded to coach and etc.

This owner doesn't care about winning unless he gets all the credit.

Nobody pulled a gun to his head to re-sign Tristan,JR and Mr Talc, especially Mr Talc who acts like he's a star in the league but somehow that's Lebron's fault....lol
1-I MIGHT agree about the situation with Griff..not sure what he was planning though. He wasn't thrifty with draft picks as he dealt them out like bags of candy.
2-Owner didn't trade Kyrie for nothing..did you read anything about the deal that was supposed to go down but Indy pulled out of it?
Altman was after that top pick from the Celts and I thought he should have taken the Suns deal although it's still not clear the specs on that.
Those players from the Celts just were not fits because they needed a structured offense and the structure was Lebron.
But that pick turned into Sexton , from what it's worth.
3-Ty Lue..that one seemed to implode on it's own merit..
4-Drew- actually coached the team better than Lue did.
5-Lebron was the one holding the AKA47 about TT and JR contracts.
Much as a you want to put Lebron in a vaccum and get irritated and say he has nothing to do with anything , he does have a lot more to do with this than you want to account for. And thats what the other comments are about .
The cavs were always trying to upgrade the roster ever since he was here, sometimes it worked, other times there were bad fits but the cavs did try.
Any young players/draft picks were often dealt to get vets in trades or vet minium salaries..it was a never ending cycle.
Other FA's who were in their prime were not coming to Cleveland, only those who pretty much were done and wanted a ring.
Now as far as players disrespecting the HC and so on ,while he's not here, it seems something rubbed off on the two that were playing with Lebron..so maybe it's more ingrained than you think.
The Cavs knew they had to start the rebuild and get younger because as was said, they knew LBJ wasn't staying.
 
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