Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[The Human Q-Tip]

Never change man. My brain would have never came up with this analogy for this situation. I don’t even really get how it applies, but I’m here for it.

Applicable or not, it's brilliant.

@The Oi

 

[adam81king]

If your wife decides you sleep on the couch while she bangs the mailman but you have the option to go try to find someone else, and someone else is interested, you gonna sleep on the couch and support your wife?

Not sure how those are remotely similar, but if my wife is paying me $30M/year, I'd certainly consider it.

 

[The Oi]

Applicable or not, it's brilliant.

@The Oi

As @pr26 already said…we’re here for it.

@macbdog

@adam81king we’re here for the gangbang?

 

[David.]

Not sure how those are remotely similar, but if my wife is paying me $30M/year, I'd certainly consider it.

There's no spot for you. Your replacement is in your spot. You get the money either way. You will not be playing. Someone else has a spot for Kev. Stay with me my dude

You're suggesting it's disloyal for Kev to leave but not for the Cavs to give up his spot. Why? It only goes one way? Things can change for the Cavs but not for Kev? His contract is to play whether or not it's written out, if he doesn't want to flip burgers in the concession stand instead of play somewhere else it's reasonable for him to choose to go play where he's wanted.

 

[KevinLoveFan]

We need a new poll based on this legendary exchange.

"Would you sleep on the couch with Kevin Love?

Yes, anytime
Yes, but only if the mailman watched
No, but I would with Kate Bock
No, but I would with his dog Vestry
Jim Chones"

 

[cavsfever]

We need a new poll based on this legendary exchange.

"Would you sleep on the couch with Kevin Love?

Yes, anytime
Yes, but only if the mailman watched
No, but I would with Kate Bock
No, but I would with his dog Vestry
Jim Chones"

You forgot “sure, for $30 million”

 

[adam81king]

There's no spot for you. Your replacement is in your spot. You get the money either way. You will not be playing. Someone else has a spot for Kev. Stay with me my dude

You're suggesting it's disloyal for Kev to leave but not for the Cavs to give up his spot. Why? It only goes one way? Things can change for the Cavs but not for Kev? His contract is to play whether or not it's written out, if he doesn't want to flip burgers in the concession stand instead of play somewhere else it's reasonable for him to choose to go play where he's wanted.

You're equating a basketball player and rotation minutes with a marriage and you're "upset" I'm not getting the full depth of your metaphor? Theres literally no correlation, no matter how funny you make it out to be.

Love spent the last year talking about how much he loved coming to work, how everyone sacrifices for the greater good, etc. If he's not willing to sacrifice whats needed, then hes either a hypocrit or incredibly selfish. From 2018-2020, his behavior let me know hes likely both. Throwing tantrums and pouting, despite playing lots of minutes, aint it. You don't see Cedi asking out. Or RoLo. Or Neto. Or Dean Wade. But Love gets to ask out without repercussion? Nah. His contract isn't to play. Its to be on the roster. Playing time isn't part of any contract, unless there are bonuses attached. If he was paid per minute played, or by the hour, and they were taking away playing time, I'd see the issue. As you said, though, dude is getting paid regardless, so he can't be considered a team player if hes asking out when *his* playing time is impacted; despite the team going like 12-4 without him.

The Heat are something like 1-4 with him, so obviously *he* may be the issue.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You're equating a basketball player and rotation minutes with a marriage and you're "upset" I'm not getting the full depth of your metaphor? Theres literally no correlation, no matter how funny you make it out to be.

Love spent the last year talking about how much he loved coming to work, how everyone sacrifices for the greater good, etc. If he's not willing to sacrifice whats needed, then hes either a hypocrit or incredibly selfish. From 2018-2020, his behavior let me know hes likely both. Throwing tantrums and pouting, despite playing lots of minutes, aint it. You don't see Cedi asking out. Or RoLo. Or Neto. Or Dean Wade. But Love gets to ask out without repercussion? Nah. His contract isn't to play. Its to be on the roster. Playing time isn't part of any contract, unless there are bonuses attached. If he was paid per minute played, or by the hour, and they were taking away playing time, I'd see the issue. As you said, though, dude is getting paid regardless, so he can't be considered a team player if hes asking out when *his* playing time is impacted; despite the team going like 12-4 without him.

The Heat are something like 1-4 with him, so obviously *he* may be the issue.

You keep using the euphemism of his playing time being "impacted" or "reduced", instead of the more accurate "eliminated" or "permanently glued to the bench". And unlike a younger player, it wasn't with the hope of watching, learning, and hopefully earning your way into the rotation during practice etc.. It was one step away from the glue factory.

I just don't see why we should care. If we had no use for him other than waving a towel, why should we care if he wants to play somewhere else? Exactly what did we lose?

 

[KevinLoveFan]

You keep using the euphemism of his playing time being "impacted" or "reduced", instead of the more accurate "eliminated" or "permanently glued to the bench". And unlike a younger player, it wasn't with the hope of watching, learning, and hopefully earning your way into the rotation during practice etc.. It was one step away from the glue factory.

I just don't see why we should care. If we had no use for him other than waving a towel, why should we care if he wants to play somewhere else? Exactly what did we lose?

No one seems to care except this one poster.

Love, like Westbrook, looks done. It's no loss to the Cavs, who said they are still going to retire his jersey number, so it's not like he left on bad terms. And it's no loss to Love, who will probably be finally humbled by this so-far lackluster showing with the Heat. But he got to play, so everyone gets what they wanted in the end.

I agree that no one should care, and nothing was lost. Perhaps the poster can file his grievances to the Cavs and insist they don't retire his number because Love didn't meet his fan standards. But the majority has spoken already, and everyone else has moved on and accepted the situation.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

No one seems to care except this one poster.

Love, like Westbrook, looks done. It's no loss to the Cavs, who said they are still going to retire his jersey number, so it's not like he left on bad terms. And it's no loss to Love, who will probably be finally humbled by this so-far lackluster showing with the Heat. But he got to play, so everyone gets what they wanted in the end.

I agree that no one should care, and nothing was lost. Perhaps the poster can file his grievances to the Cavs and insist they don't retire his number because Love didn't meet his fan standards. But the majority has spoken already, and everyone else has moved on and accepted the situation.

The story of guys hanging on for the love of the game long past their prime is very, very common. It is almost always awkward at the end as they just don't want to let it go. I never hold that against any of those guys who usually end up desperate to latch on anywhere they can to try to play for as long as possible. We see it from older stars in the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

I think that's far better than being a dude like Ben Simmons who doesn't care about playing the game but is just collecting a check.

 

[AllforOne]

The story of guys hanging on for the love of the game long past their prime is very, very common. It is almost always awkward at the end as they just don't want to let it go. I never hold that against any of those guys who usually end up desperate to latch on anywhere they can to try to play for as long as possible. We see it from older stars in the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

I think that's far better than being a dude like Ben Simmons who doesn't care about playing the game but is just collecting a check.

The corollary point is that when the end comes, it can come quickly. Love was a SMOTY candidate last season. He started off this season well. Then he had the thumb injury, tried to play through it … and here we are, just a few months later.

If I were in his shoes, I sure wouldn’t be thinking “it’s over.” I’d be thinking “it wasn’t that long ago that I was playing pretty well, and if I can just get my shot back, I’ll be fine” or something similar. I’d probably need more than one or two teams to tell me I’m through, before I would actually believe it.

One other point: pro athletes, like all high achievers, have to be almost delusionally optimistic about themselves. They have to believe in themselves, even if apparently nobody else does. If they weren’t that way, they never would have gotten to where they are. And that same belief is going to keep them coming back until they’ve finally been convinced it’s time to hang them up.

 

[Cavatt]

I still think it sucks Kevin left. Didn't want to work to get back on the floor, felt like he deserved it just from his name while he let guys go by him.

Spent years hurt while collecting his biggest paycheck on the team and couldn't stick out 20 game, couldn't be bothered to stay ready in case they need him in the playoffs. Can't be bothered to support this team that looks up to him.

Just another indicator he thinks he is bigger than the team, nothing more.

 

[TheISHT]

The story of guys hanging on for the love of the game long past their prime is very, very common. It is almost always awkward at the end as they just don't want to let it go. I never hold that against any of those guys who usually end up desperate to latch on anywhere they can to try to play for as long as possible. We see it from older stars in the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

I think that's far better than being a dude like Ben Simmons who doesn't care about playing the game but is just collecting a check.

I'd argue in today's world, less about love of the game in general, and most about money over all. If he had love of the game, he'd be selfless and part of the team while making 30 million per year, waiting for his chance to prove it (because an Injury could have made it happen). These dudes gotta maintain these lifestyles as long as possible and figuring where/how big the next paycheck is trumps all.

 

[adam81king]

No one seems to care except this one poster.

Love, like Westbrook, looks done. It's no loss to the Cavs, who said they are still going to retire his jersey number, so it's not like he left on bad terms. And it's no loss to Love, who will probably be finally humbled by this so-far lackluster showing with the Heat. But he got to play, so everyone gets what they wanted in the end.

I agree that no one should care, and nothing was lost. Perhaps the poster can file his grievances to the Cavs and insist they don't retire his number because Love didn't meet his fan standards. But the majority has spoken already, and everyone else has moved on and accepted the situation.

Except the relationship didn't end on good terms, it was publicly stated for the public relations of it:https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-kevin-love-relationship-front-office-strained-following-buyout

 

[adam81king]

You keep using the euphemism of his playing time being "impacted" or "reduced", instead of the more accurate "eliminated" or "permanently glued to the bench". And unlike a younger player, it wasn't with the hope of watching, learning, and hopefully earning your way into the rotation during practice etc.. It was one step away from the glue factory.

I just don't see why we should care. If we had no use for him other than waving a towel, why should we care if he wants to play somewhere else? Exactly what did we lose?

When/where was "eliminated" or "permanently glued to the bench" stated?