Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[buzzdog]

So, what is the line where people would let Allen walk, instead of signing him?

For this hypothetical, the offer sheet is signed. Sign and trade is not possible.

For me, 5/125 is about where I'd be comfortable letting him go rather than bringing him back.

I'd be comfortable letting him walk for anything over $24 mil/yr. for 4 or 5 years. Then there's things like how does it break down in terms of incentives, guaranteed money, option years. So I guess I'm a little south of where you're at. I am very skeptical that he'll sign for anything less than 20 mil/yr though as some people are saying he's worth 18 mil/yr. max.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

So, what is the line where people would let Allen walk, instead of signing him?

For this hypothetical, the offer sheet is signed. Sign and trade is not possible.

For me, 5/125 is about where I'd be comfortable letting him go rather than bringing him back.

The problem is this…do you have anybody worth a bag of beans to replace him if you let him walk. JA may not be AD, KAT, or Embid but as it’s been pointed he’s the best center we have had since Z

 

[buzzdog]

I read it as a comment about board sentiment in general, not an attack on other posters or anyone in particular.

Bingo. I think people like excitement from roster churn for whatever reason. Me, I like to keep what talent we have at least until better talent is available. And I'm happy to engage in rational conversation about these types of perceptions.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

The problem is this…do you have anybody worth a bag of beans to replace him if you let him walk. JA may not be AD, KAT, or Embid but as it’s been pointed he’s the best center we have had since Z

I don't care about our win total in the 2021/2022 season. I care about building a team that can compete in the future. I'm not going to sell that short because I was afraid of losing a couple meaningless games in this coming season.

 

[buzzdog]

The problem is this…do you have anybody worth a bag of beans to replace him if you let him walk. JA may not be AD, KAT, or Embid but as it’s been pointed he’s the best center we have had since Z

Exactly, you'd have to pay something equivalent to replace him or hope for a diamond in the rough to develop. We were fortunate to luck into the transaction that got Allen on the roster in the first place. Can you imagine where we'd be if that deal didn't happen?

The talk from the front office regarding the offer sheet indicates they are hopeful to be able to keep him. One article placed his value around $20 mil/year for 5 years. I'd be over the moon to keep him around for that amount.

 

[Benway]

If we lose Allen, we can always overpay Hartenstein!

 

[inliner311]

So, what is the line where people would let Allen walk, instead of signing him?

For this hypothetical, the offer sheet is signed. Sign and trade is not possible.

For me, 5/125 is about where I'd be comfortable letting him go rather than bringing him back.

I think it's important for Koby to keep open communication with Allen's agent on this. Koby shouldn't be surprised by Allen signing an offer sheet. A open dialogue of if Allen wants to be here and how we can come to an agreement that works for both of side, I think is real important.

If he is going to get 25 million a year, we might want to offer him something like 27 million a year for 3 years instead of taking the risk of 125 over 5 years.

 

[buzzdog]

I think it's important for Koby to keep open communication with Allen's agent on this. Koby shouldn't be surprised by Allen signing an offer sheet. A open dialogue of if Allen wants to be here and how we can come to an agreement that works for both of side, I think is real important.

If he is going to get 25 million a year, we might want to offer him something like 27 million a year for 3 years instead of taking the risk of 125 over 5 years.

Seems to me like things are going according to plan so far. Now Allen can see our initial offer, find out what other teams will offer, find out his current market value. Then the Cavs can match (or not).

 

[inliner311]

Seems to me like things are going according to plan so far. Now Allen can see our initial offer, find out what other teams will offer, find out his current market value. Then the Cavs can match (or not).

My concern is if he actually wants to be here or not. If he doesn't want to be here, I think we should look for a sign and trade. If the front office matches his offer sheet and it's a big amount, it's just a bad situation waiting to happen. Higher the number we sign Allen for, the harder he will be to trade.

 

[buzzdog]

My concern is if he actually wants to be here or not. If he doesn't want to be here, I think we should look for a sign and trade. If the front office matches his offer sheet and it's a big amount, it's just a bad situation waiting to happen. Higher the number we sign Allen for, the harder he will be to trade.

Take it with a grain of salt or a block of salt, Altman said Allen does like it in Cleveland and wants to be here.

 

[bs80]

So, what is the line where people would let Allen walk, instead of signing him?

For this hypothetical, the offer sheet is signed. Sign and trade is not possible.

For me, 5/125 is about where I'd be comfortable letting him go rather than bringing him back.

Can another team sign him to a five-year offer sheet? A max contract for a player that is switching teams is limited to four years, but I'm not 100% sure whether the four-year limit only applies to max contracts.

To answer your question, 4 yrs / $95 mil or 5 yrs / $110 mil is probably where I draw the line.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Can another team sign him to a five-year offer sheet? A max contract for a player that is switching teams is limited to four years, but I'm not 100% sure whether the four-year limit only applies to max contracts.

To answer your question, 4 yrs / $95 mil or 5 yrs / $110 mil is probably where I draw the line.

Good call.

I'm probably in-line with you. If the offer sheet was about 4 years, 100 million, I wouldn't have any problem with Altman letting Allen walk.

 

[bs80]

Good call.

I'm probably in-line with you. If the offer sheet was about 4 years, 100 million, I wouldn't have any problem with Altman letting Allen walk.

How much competition do we have for JA, and how likely is it that he walks and we get nothing in return?

There can't be THAT may teams that have enough cap space to sign him outright, could there?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

How much competition do we have for JA, and how likely is it that he walks and we get nothing in return?

There can't be THAT may teams that have enough cap space to sign him outright, could there?

I honestly have no idea. It's one of those things that's hard to speculate, as deals could change other teams' cap situations at any point.

I also don't follow the NBA as closely as I used to--back in the day I could tell you that info off the top of my head. Now I'd have to pull up spotrac or something to find it.

The other point of contention is the threat that he signs the qualifying offer and becomes an unrestricted free agent after one year. You can't just lowball him--have to find some common ground.

I will say, I'm just glad Allen's agent isn't Dan Fegan. Fuck that guy.

 

[bs80]

I honestly have no idea. It's one of those things that's hard to speculate, as deals could change other teams' cap situations at any point.

I also don't follow the NBA as closely as I used to--back in the day I could tell you that info off the top of my head. Now I'd have to pull up spotrac or something to find it.

I'll take a look at the payroll data later.

The other point of contention is the threat that he signs the qualifying offer and becomes an unrestricted free agent after one year. You can't just lowball him--have to find some common ground.

It's a possibility I suppose but if we lowball the shit out of him I'd imagine the market is robust enough that he'd have no problem finding an offer sheet. Gotta think at the very least he'll get 4/60, or if he really wants to hit UFA then 2/35. Even if we piss him off, I can't see him playing on a $5.7 mil QO. And even if he did, he'd still have value at the trade deadline.

I will say, I'm just glad Allen's agent isn't Dan Fegan. Fuck that guy.

I love Andy, but that shit was insane. Of all the guys that could hold out like that, him??