More 9/11 talk

[RuanuLaw]

Good detective work Ruanu!

Whats with the irony. Those pics that u provided look extremely photoshoped.

 

[Maximus]

Come on Max, you know damn well those pictures are of a plane coming in on approach with the flaps down and speed reduced. The Pentagon plane was coming in like a bat outta hell with an amature pilot. Ask a pilot about the maneuvers that it did.

I'm not saying that all the eyewitness reports are bogus i just want all the information. Aren't you curious to see the all the info as well or does this satisfy you?

Sure I want all the info. But just because I haven't been provided with everything doesn't mean my government orchestrated the entire thing.

If it wasn't a plane, then how did 5 light posts get toppled 100 feet apart, consistent with the wingspan of a plane?


I just gave you a list of a 100 witnesses, many who were in there cars. They said there cars shook violently. Angle of approach, altitude, speed, tilting the wings, etc, are all unknowns and I assume played a factor in the cars not tipping over. Again, it was a crowded highway with people who saw a plane fly over them, how could that possibly be staged?

Stearing a plane isn't that difficult....taking off and landing are. All these terrorists(who did have training) had to do was steer it into an object so big it can be seen from space. He didn't have to land it.

 

[Mandingo]

They are real pictures i have seen them before. The airport is right on the other side of that beach but like i said those planes are getting ready to land not coming in fast at all so that they can control the plane to land.

 

[Maximus]

Whats with the irony. Those pics that u provided look extremely photoshoped.

Lame response. Here's a video....probably fake too.

http://www.blogtelevision.net/p/Videos-Watch-a-Video___1,2,,1454.html

 

[Mandingo]

I just gave you a list of a 100 witnesses, many who were in there cars. They said there cars shook violently. Angle of approach, altitude, speed, tilting the wings, etc, are all unknowns and I assume played a factor in the cars not tipping over. Again, it was a crowded highway with people who saw a plane fly over them, how could that possibly be staged?

No, not the cars tipping over the cones. The orange cones in the video that the govt. put out shows cones on a concrete curb and they do not move.

 

[Maximus]

The length of the outside wall on any side of the pentagon is 921 feet. The blast was roughly 60% down the wall of impact away from the guard shack. The shack is another 50-75 feet from the corner of the Pentagon. It doesn't shock me that the cones(which are cylindrical, aerodynamic, and wide at the base) didn't tip over from the blast. They were 500-600 feet away....or 1.5-2 football fields.

I think everyone underestimates the size of the Pentagon which is an absolute massive fortress. You could park 7.4 767's wing-to-wing across one side of the Pentagon.

 

[Mandingo]

My point is that people 500+ yards away say the explosion knocked them back or down and small cones estimated at 500 to 600 feet away didnt move.

 

[cavincali]

Some people just wont ever get it.

 

[Maximus]

My point is that people 500+ yards away say the explosion knocked them back or down and small cones estimated at 500 to 600 feet away didnt move.

A person is going to get knocked over every time before a small traffic cone, for a number of reasons. At the risk of sounding like a physicist, a traffic cone is designed to not get knocked/blown over. The average cone has a 14" square base where the mass majority of the weight is located. The base also usually has multiple points of contact to give it excellent friction characteristics. The cone portion goes from a 8" diameter down to 1-3/4" at the top giving it a very sturdy base. Most importantly, because there are no flat surfaces the wind has very little effect on them. This is why an 18 wheel truck can blow by them on the highway only inches away and they don't move.
As far as the person getting knocked back, I would say that emotional shock is a big variable. If I'm looking at a plane that I know is loaded with passengers plow into a building followed by a massive explosion I am probably diving for cover, falling down, croutching, whatever.....just from utter emotional shock moreso than the percussion of a shock wave. As far as people getting knocked over that were 500 yards away, I'm guessing there was some exaggeration in that story....witnesses and accident victims do it often. Just like when people say that the plane was 10 feet over their head when it was probably more like 50.
Knocked down, blown back, or not, the one thing that the eyewitnesses seem to be overwhelmingly agree on is that it was a plane....a large passenger plane....a large American Airlines passenger plane.

Flight 77 flying erraticly on radar, 2 people calling from the plane saying it was hijacked, the plane disappearing, witnesses then seeing a plane fly into the Pentagon, plane parts around the Pentagon, bodies....all this adds up to Flight 77 hitting that building. Personally I don't need a video. For those that do, I hope you get one someday.

Good debate fellas, but it's time for some drinking. Off to Tremont then West 6th. Cheers!

 

[James]

just curious...but have any of you even been PAST then pentagon??
we have family and friends and neighbors who all work over there, and consider it an insult to say that it was a missle that struck there.

 

[James]

i drove by the pentagon 1/2 an hour ago...just thought id throw that out there.

 

[Blind_Sniper]

I think I found Bin Laden!!!! I knew it Scottie!!!

 

[OmegaBlack]

:chuckles:

 

[Troy Wingate]

If you want my take on all this (some of you may, some of you won't) but I was given a documentary on 9/11 and given all the evidence provided, we are told to come to our own conclusion.

First thing, first they say a plane smashed into the pentagon. If so, where is the plane? Why isn't there any footage of the plane? Then the said the nose cone of the plane hit the pentagon. Where is it? And where's the rest of the plane? People said that the plane left a huge crater in the ground. Where? I never a crater.

If a plane did smash into the pentagon, why is there a computer sitting on top of a filing cabinet? Why is there a book sitting on a wooden stool and not touched at all. If a plane crashed into the pentagon, then why is the roof collapsed? Surely if woulda been pushed in.

Wanna know something. That exact section of the pentagon was under renovation. My conclusion is that no plane hit the pentagon. That section of the pentagon collapsed from the renovations taking place.

Also, the two planes that hit the twin towers. The reports said that commercial planes hit the towers, yet eye witnesses are recorded saying that they weren't commericial planes, because there was no commercial airline logo and NO windows.

The way the towers collapsed. Isn't it funny how the towers fell the exact same way they would if they were being professionally dimolised? Each floor being blasted one by one. If the heat of the fire caused the tower to collapse, only the top part of the towers would've fallen to the ground, the rest would still be standing.

Also, George Bush says in an interview that he saw the first plane hit the tower LIVE on TV before he went into the classroom. Funny, the attack was a complete surprise so there was no way possible he would've seen it live.

Then even though he knows about the attack, he stills goes into the classroom and acts like nothing is wrong. If he felt the country was under attack, surely he would've been put into protection straight away.

Then the second attack, the guys goes into the classroom to inform Bush, yet he just sits there.

In the movie about 9/11 "Farienheight 9/11", they show that Bush's family is in some messed up way friends with the Bin Laden family.

My conclusion. Bin Laden did the attacks, but George Bush set it all up.

Just my observation.

 

[James]

that is an insult to the people who died that day to think something like that. you can think that all you want, but if you believe michael moore....you have some serious issues.