National Media and other poster's 2023 Prospect Lists

[Gson]

Also, we got a tidbit a while ago from our ex-insider who said with the top-3 ROY if on top-100 lists getting an extra draft pick for award, don't be surprised if there is some manipulation to get that extra pick whether a Naylor if close enough is on April roster or if we aren't going far in playoffs, one of 3 pitchers just waits to next year to burst their rookie eligibility.

What surprises me is the disparity in Allen ... He wasn't even on Pipeline top-10 for LHP after being 6th last year. They hinted that only top-4 LHP are top-100 when released. So, nowhere close but 85th per BA (was 65th on updated FG towards end of year). Guardians do shoot themselves in the foot by not promoting their guys to these agencies and by having them actually round out their stuff as they know they will be on their team vs being traded (where you only focus on your strengths to boost value).

Logan T Allen had what might be considered a very poor second half after being promoted to AAA... Some of the peripheral numbers didn't suffer, but he was hit pretty hard and pretty often while with C-Bus.. His stuff didn't change a helluva lot.. but the batters did.. Time to put up better numbers in 2023 in his second go round at AAA..and he'll be back on track for consideration of better ratings, whatever they're worth..

 

[sportscoach]

Logan T Allen had what might be considered a very poor second half after being promoted to AAA... Some of the peripheral numbers didn't suffer, but he was hit pretty hard and pretty often while with C-Bus.. His stuff didn't change a helluva lot.. but the batters did.. Time to put up better numbers in 2023 in his second go round at AAA..and he'll be back on track for consideration of better ratings, whatever they're worth..

He was working on an additional pitch that got creamed...

 

[Gson]

He was working on an additional pitch that got creamed...

There three kinds of excuses...

-good excuses..
-bad excuses...
-any excuses..

Minor leaguers are always working on their game... ALWAYS.. His pitches didn't get creamed in the first 1/2 of the year..

what was different?... the hitters were better.. he wasn't..

 

[sportscoach]

There three kinds of excuses...

-good excuses..
-bad excuses...
-any excuses..

Minor leaguers are always working on their game... ALWAYS.. His pitches didn't get creamed in the first 1/2 of the year..

what was different?... the hitters were better.. he wasn't..

He had a brand new pitch he was trying out and it got creamed... he was adding a 4th pitch, so essentially the other three are fine, but the new one sucked and most of the damage at AAA was off of that specific pitch...

Yes players are always working on their craft and trying new things, but the new pitch messed up his numbers pretty badly...

 

[MadThinker88]

Heads Up!!
I was back on the Prospects Live site today & I noticed someone asked why Joey Cantillo was not ranked.
Here was the reply:
https://www.patreon.com/prospectslive
Prospects Live
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This was actually just an error in the publication process. He should have been #12, right after Will Brennan! We'll get that fixed.
Thanks for the shoutout. - Jake
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I guess that means everyone moves down 1 spot & Jack Leftwich is bumped off the top 30...


I also want to point out that the site is was noting in another questions that former CLE farmhand Nolan Jones has exceed rookie limits. If still rookie eligible Nolan would have slotted into #10 for the Colorado system..

 

[CDAV45]

There three kinds of excuses...

-good excuses..
-bad excuses...
-any excuses..

Minor leaguers are always working on their game... ALWAYS.. His pitches didn't get creamed in the first 1/2 of the year..

what was different?... the hitters were better.. he wasn't..

That’s a pretty general statement that isn’t applicable to all scenarios. Most minor league pitchers are working on their game and trying to hone their skills. Few implement new pitches or change their mechanics at the highest level and if they do almost never find success immediately with it. It becomes part of your “minor leaguers are always working on their game” at that time. Logan Allen and Peyton Battenfield’s excuses are legitimate regardless if you do or don’t agree. They are simple facts. It is also factual that both experienced high levels of success prior to the new implementations so they should receive the benefit of the doubt for now.

Edited to clarify that what I said doesn't mean you're wrong about either player, only that the excuse for their unprecedented poor performances were likely justified and they should be given another look before writing them off.

 

[CDAV45]

I give MLBPipeline little credence anyway, but how in the hell do you keep Bibee out of the top 10 RHP prospect list. I love Gavin Stone and would love to deal for him, but he's not Tanner Bibee. I just can't help but wonder how in and what in the hell they're using to base these decisions off of. There is no measurable metric or tangible to keep Bibee off of any list. There just isn't and there is an argument that he is Cleveland's top prospect. Rant over!

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I give MLBPipeline little credence anyway, but how in the hell do you keep Bibee out of the top 10 RHP prospect list. I love Gavin Stone and would love to deal for him, but he's not Tanner Bibee. I just can't help but wonder how in and what in the hell they're using to base these decisions off of. There is no measurable metric or tangible to keep Bibee off of any list. There just isn't and there is an argument that he is Cleveland's top prospect. Rant over!

If you rank them by the number of times the letter "s" appears in their name, Bibee should be left off that top 10 list.

Rant over

 

[petes999]

Just dropped this morning ... plenty of surprises with Allen at 4 before Williams and Bibee (albiet they are 5 and 6) and Brito and Francisca getting love at 12 and 13... and don't tell someone that Tolentino is still at 32 (just behind Tena) but no Cairo. Nor, should we say too much of Battenfield dropping to 40 to preserves the peace. But, as always, no single prospect source is all knowing as it is a crap shoot for 1 guy to look at all 30 teams.

Cleveland Guardians Top 50 Prospects

The Guardians are flush with upper-level prospects poised to contribute to the big league cause. Pitching development has been key to the system’s continued depth.

blogs.fangraphs.com

 

[petes999]

And as another follow-up, don't expect much love from FG when top-100 is released. Last year, he had 109 with 50 FV grades or higher - so we had 8 in top 100. Trade Jones, remove Freeman (as he didn't meat 130 AB threshold but was rostered for more than 45 days from August 3 to Oct 1) and downgrade Valera and not move up Williams to 50 grade, that means only 5 this year.

 

[MadThinker88]

Baseball Prospectus dropped its top 101 prospect list on Friday 1/20/23.
4 are listed for CLE.

Espino (#25)
Williams (#26)
Bibee (#52)
Valera (#60)

 

[petes999]

Baseball Prospectus dropped its top 101 prospect list on Friday 1/20/23.
4 are listed for CLE.

Espino (#25)
Williams (#26)
Bibee (#52)
Valera (#60)

Wow no Naylor nor Rocchio ... Cleveland is not propping up their prospects for this extra draft pick rule. But found that the sites that they need are ESPN, BA and MLB. BA gave us 7, MLB gave us 6 last year and comes out Thursday but no Allen (won't be this year as was off top-10 LHP list) and ESPN is always behind a firewall but comes out mid-February. I assume Naylor would be the only one who would get consideration this year - Freeman isn't rookie, Arias still is but not on these lists anymore inc BA this year and Herrin is not going to breakout like Clase to get consideration and Allen wouldn't be on roster on OD anyways.

And per BA (before Kwan)
Of the 72 players to rank in the top three of Rookie of the Year balloting since 2010, 54 (75%) were Top 100 Prospects coming into that season. There were a few players (like Jose Iglesias and Jaime Garcia) who had ranked previously as Top 100 Prospects but not in the year before they landed ROY votes. For these purposes they are considered as not making the Top 100.

 

[petes999]

Here is another list from Prospects1500. Not much here in my opinion as Valera tops the list over our Big 3 and Bibee is 7th which I can live with for a national publication (but local writers). Yet, when Genao is 31st behind Antunez 29th, it says they either discount Arizona league a lot or they don't really know the Cleveland system. Yes, Antunez has better stats but Genao is a full year (and class signing) younger and pushed at the same rate (finished at Low-A). This is where these writers don't sit down and say mmmm... what is Cleveland FO seeing that one guys gets $1.2 million and another maybe a few hundred thousand if that (as he was signed 8 days after July 2nd opening period where most deals are pre-arranged for bigger stars and thus not much $$$ left but who knows) and we promote one guy more rapidly based even if younger???

Cleveland Guardians Top 50 Prospects (2023)

Cleveland has lifted its farm system into the upper echelon, and the best may still be enroute. Sean Clancy's Guardians Top 50 prospects.

www.prospects1500.com

 

[AZ_]

 

[Criznit]

Highest praise I have seen for Mr. DeLauter.... Getting excited...